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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:53 am

32.5 overs LOL

practically bowled out in a session

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:54 am

There calling this a young Australian team, not the case at all :lol:

Furguson is 31, Nevill is 31, Mennie late 20's, Burns 27.

There actually a very old team.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:55 am

Verity wrote:If we lose to Pakistan we are at a all time low and Smith will be lucky to keep his job :lol:


Pat Howard should be first one fired

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:55 am

Katto wrote:32.5 overs LOL

practically bowled out in a session


Smith should give them all a rev up that was dreadful, no way in this world is that a 85 pitch. South Africa will get 500.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:58 am

Verity wrote:There calling this a young Australian team, not the case at all :lol:

Furguson is 31, Nevill is 31, Mennie late 20's, Burns 27.

There actually a very old team.


There losing and losing bad, Id blood young blokes and stick with them couldnt go any worse. Kurtis Pattison is only 23, Peter Handscomb 25 put them in there.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:07 am

Verity wrote:
Verity wrote:There calling this a young Australian team, not the case at all :lol:

Furguson is 31, Nevill is 31, Mennie late 20's, Burns 27.

There actually a very old team.


There losing and losing bad, Id blood young blokes and stick with them couldnt go any worse. Kurtis Pattison is only 23, Peter Handscomb 25 put them in there.


youi're talking to yourself mate :lol:

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:21 am

I was following on from my first post :lol:
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:22 am

Rod Marsh is just sitting there hoping Mennie does something :lol:
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:28 am

This Mennie bloke looks shit
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:38 am

I dont understand the selection policy at all
Sayers is a very similar bowler to Philander. would've done well with the new ball here.

Ferguson barely scored a run in the last game and hasnt been in great form, but they overlook the guys that are.

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Misty » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:53 am

His chance will be in India vs Australia series with 37/0/168/0 on début @ mohali, Australian selector not care much, they not serious about Leg spinner for India tour,

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:59 am

Misty wrote:His chance will be in India vs Australia series with 37/0/168/0 on début @ mohali, Australian selector not care much, they not serious about Leg spinner for India tour,


"Leg spinner"? who are you talking about?

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:01 am

Katto wrote:I dont understand the selection policy at all
Sayers is a very similar bowler to Philander. would've done well with the new ball here.

Ferguson barely scored a run in the last game and hasnt been in great form, but they overlook the guys that are.

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He got a ton and a fifty in 6 matador Cup games and a shield ton but many more have been more impressive.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:05 am

Verity wrote:
Katto wrote:I dont understand the selection policy at all
Sayers is a very similar bowler to Philander. would've done well with the new ball here.

Ferguson barely scored a run in the last game and hasnt been in great form, but they overlook the guys that are.

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He got a ton and a fifty in 6 matador Cup games and a shield ton but many more have been more impressive.


The most in form batsmen in the country is probably Cameran White.

2 tons 2 fifties in Matador Cup

1 ton and 1 fifty in Shield
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Leo » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:29 am

I told in 1st match thread that this Australia is the worst team I have ever seen since 1992 among all Aussie teams. Question is where is the problem? Smith captaincy or . . . ? ? ?
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:33 am

Leo wrote:I told in 1st match thread that this Australia is the worst team I have ever seen since 1992 among all Aussie teams. Question is where is the problem? Smith captaincy or . . . ? ? ?


Rod Marsh selector and all the coaching staff.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:41 am

Verity wrote:
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He got a ton and a fifty in 6 matador Cup games and a shield ton but many more have been more impressive.


The most in form batsmen in the country is probably Cameran White.

2 tons 2 fifties in Matador Cup

1 ton and 1 fifty in Shield


this is Rod Marsh thinking, picking someone on form shown in one day cricket for a test match

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:44 am

Verity wrote:
Leo wrote:I told in 1st match thread that this Australia is the worst team I have ever seen since 1992 among all Aussie teams. Question is where is the problem? Smith captaincy or . . . ? ? ?


Rod Marsh selector and all the coaching staff.


Path Howard, "high performance programs", data based coaching techniques, sports 'science', "coaching credentials" earned by sitting tests - a shield season cut in half, social justice warriors etc.

Its the worst since 1986 when Greg Matthews, Greg Ritchie and Wayne Phillips were regulars

The problem isnt Lehmann's fault either, its at the state level and the national development program level. It cant be fixed overnight.
In that respect its actually worse than the mid 80's because there was still talent coming through then - the rebel tours and a poor culture in the national team were to blame.

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:31 am

South Africa lead by 1, if we can keep it to a 100 run lead we are right in this.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby raja » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:39 am

Just checked the score.
What just happened there?

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby raja » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:40 am

Verity wrote:Overhead means f**k all in Australia, majority of the time get little swing anyhow; Australia should get 400+ here, if they don't they've failed.

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby raja » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:42 am

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Hey, welcome back! It's been a long time. Hope all's well with you? :-)

And congrats on the win. :-)


Thanks the little one is keeping me so busy. and with another one on the way i'm am going to have even less time for myself. How are things on your side?

I was going into this series feeling rather bleak...


Oh, all's fine. -)

Congrats to you on the next one on the way.

And I don't mean another Test win. :-)

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:45 am

raja wrote:
Verity wrote:Overhead means f**k all in Australia, majority of the time get little swing anyhow; Australia should get 400+ here, if they don't they've failed.

:roll:


It honestly didn't do much.

Warner chased a wide earlier, it actually would've been called a wide. Burns missed a ball on his pads out LBW, same with Nevill. Furguson ran himself out, the tail all through there bats at wide balls. Voges ball looked decent but he could've played it better.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby raja » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:58 am

As an Aussie supporter, it hurts to see them in this situation.
Only thing I'm really thankful for, is that the opposition isn't England.
Had this been an Ashes Test, I'd be totally devastated.

Before the next Ashes come up, they better return to form.

In all this gloom, a word for Starc. He's the one bright hope right now.
Hope he stays fit from now on

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:37 am

Joe Mennie is a odd one, he bowls slow which goes against the selectors way and he just looks shit.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:07 am

Verity wrote:Joe Mennie is a odd one, he bowls slow which goes against the selectors way and he just looks shit.


Australian cricket is obsessed/cursed with trying to find the next McGrath and Warne - instead of just the next guy who can take wickets or score runs

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Going South » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:10 pm

Time for South Africa declaration. They had enough runs needed to defend. Let's end it.

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:14 pm

Rain looks set in, won't be much play today.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:15 pm

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR763.loop.shtml

She's pissing down by the looks of it.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:51 pm

There's been more then only 5.6mm, probably looking at 20mm plus.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:09 am

Australia's system is broken

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Injured fast bowlers, a dearth of good young batsmen, and a captain impeded by the management - all this while the team faces three big series 11 shares

While Australia capitulated at the WACA and then collapsed at Bellerive, both India and England prospered in Rajkot.

The implications of these scenarios are many and varied. Australia are in distinct trouble against South Africa, and unless this trend is reversed quickly, the selectors face the prospect of wholesale changes for the upcoming series against an improved Pakistan outfit.

Australia then face a tough tour of India, a playground where they have recently experienced more recriminations than celebrations, followed by a visit from England next summer. To say the next few weeks are crucial to Australian cricket is akin to saying the world awaits Donald Trump's presidency with bated breath.

Most of Australia's recent failures have stemmed from poor batting displays, but the inability to keep fast bowlers fit for duty is shaping to be just as big a problem.

A short while ago it appeared Australia's pace bowling future was bright, with Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson and Pat Cummins all capable of swinging the ball at genuine pace, while Josh Hazlewood and Peter Siddle provided consistently probing spells. In addition, there were other hopefuls with pace and talent at the Shield level who promised adequate back-up in case of the odd injury.

I don't think the system allows you to captain Australia properly. There are too many people to tell to get stuffed
Since then there has been a string of injuries as long as the sartorius muscle, which leaves Starc and Hazlewood as the last men standing. It's a bleak picture that provides skipper Steven Smith with a migraine-style headache and the administrators with many questions to answer.

When a team has lost four Tests in succession - three of them from virtually impregnable positions - there are bound to be questions about the captain's right to retain the job. However, the job of the Australian captain has been made increasingly difficult over the years by some questionable administrative decisions.

In 2011, I told the Argus review: "I don't think the system allows you to captain Australia properly. There are too many people to tell to get stuffed. At least when I was skipper, you only had to tell the manager to butt out if he wanted to stick his nose into the cricket side of the business."

With that said, the Argus review recommended an additional layer of management and even more impediment to good captaincy.

Smith's job has been made infinitely harder than mine ever was. At least I was in control of my own destiny, which is a must when all the wins and losses go against your name. Smith doesn't have that luxury and he's also impeded by a development system that is faltering, bordering on total engine failure.

Cricket Australia held the Argus review and another one into the safety of the game following the tragic death of Phil Hughes. However, it hasn't addressed the failure of a system that should provide selectors with a production line of successful young batsmen from first-class cricket. The current system has been an abject failure for at least a decade, mainly providing a string of journeymen and ageing debutants, and yet, nothing seems to change.

Actually, that's not exactly true. There are more coaches, more theories on how to play spin bowling, and fewer overseas successes. While the failures in India, England and Sri Lanka were treated with an "out of sight, out of mind" approach by the public, the inability to cope with a weakened South African attack on a reasonable WACA surface has shone a fierce spotlight on Australia's batting frailty.

India, on the other hand, have a plentiful supply of talented and technically efficient young batsmen. England, who used to eschew selecting youth as though that would inflict a plague on the side, have blooded two young batting hopefuls on the tour of Bangladesh and India.

Australia are now at the point where the ageing-debutant policy is a proven failure and they will be forced to choose a few younger batsmen on a speculative basis.

With a tour of India and a tough home series against England looming, this is not ideal. It could go one of two ways: either it'll be a triumph for youth or cause the pain often felt in seeking longer-term success.

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:50 am

Sports science is the biggest crock of shit ever talked about.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:00 am

Verity wrote:Sports science is the biggest crock of shit ever talked about.


yep

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby raja » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:54 am

Too many people involved nowadays in "decision-making".
The poor captain hardly has his own way anymore.
And yet the buck stops with him.

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:27 am

Pat Howard hit the panic button

clueless fraud - he'll never be held accountable because of nepotism, he's James Sutherland's mate

Sutherland always making excuses for him
Lehmann will be the one to pay the penalty

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby louie_db9 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:13 am

Good day for Australia

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Boycs » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:43 am

louie_db9 wrote:Good day for Australia


:D

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:42 am

louie_db9 wrote:Good day for Australia


Sad but true.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:46 am

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louie_db9 wrote:Good day for Australia


:D


dreadful day, we failed to take a wicket

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby louie_db9 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:49 am

:lol:

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Going South » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:02 am

When is the declaration coming? They already got enough score to defend.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:24 pm

slow news day

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby afghankhan » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:27 pm

450 is a realistic target for SA to reach.

Expecting big hundred from De Kock and Bavuma.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:23 am

De Kock is taking his game to another level, his glove work has been world class and his hitting a lot of runs, very Gilchrist like, he could easily average 45+ in Tests.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:02 am

WTF just happened... @ work just turned the radio on to listen to the cricket and we are all out again... What a joke.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:16 am

Worst Australia batting lineup ever? I can not for the life of me understand Callum Ferguson being the next bloke in the ranks to get a shot..

Warner, Khawaja and Smith that's our lineup once there out the rest just fold... I actually seen a stat the other day when watching England v India and it was the average runs scored once each team loses 6 wickets and Australia was 2nd last behind Bangladesh, we use to be the kings of the tail wag.
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Verity » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:21 am

Im hearing a rumour Voges career is over, finishes with a average of over 60 if true :lol:
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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:43 am

near rock bottom

we'll get swept by Pakistan unless wholesale changes are made...I think it'll happen anyway

the system is broken and CA are to blame

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby raja » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:02 am

Congratulations, South Africa.

Sad to see Australia like this.

Tbh, I don't think they're going to come out of this soon. Doesn't look like the bench is overflowing with talent.

Pls fix this before the next Ashes series.

I can take a drubbing against any side but not against England in an Ashes series.

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Re: Australia vs South Africa: 2nd Test; Nov 12-16, 2016 at Hobart

Postby Katto » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:06 am

It wont be fixed because the split Shield season is now set in stone thanks to CA's dash for cash from the BBL

Personally I wouldnt suspend the season whilst the BBL is on. Its not like there's any shortage of players capable of filling out those franchises.
Anyone can play it.

Sutherland is unlikely to sack his rugby player mate either.

My prediction: Lehmann is a goner and will likely be replaced by one of the Shield coaches - someone with all the 'certificates'.
Probably Justin Langer....or David Saker (who England fired)