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Post by Paddles » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:11 am

Okay - I'll start a new thread based on Harmer asking me about Will Young.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/ ... 47749.html

Will Young's stocks increased drastically last year. In 2015/16, he and Henry Nicholls were in a shoot out to be NZ's next test batsman as the injury replacement batsman (back then it was KW 3 Taylor 4 and Bmac 5). But Nicholls had a better match for NZA, and got the spot. Then McCullum retired, and Nicholls got the role permanently as the incumbent.

So Will Young carried on in domestic, but at the end of the 2017/18 season dropped domestic captaincy. He said - all he wants to do is score runs and make the NZ team. He went to the UAE to play Pakistan A with NZA. And while the rest of the team struggled, he made runs. And big runs. In all formats. But Nicholls broke into the world's top 10 (currently top 5 test batsmen). So what would Young do?

Latham and Raval, the NZ openers, were struggling to make runs. Next thing, for NZA vs India, Young is opening. And he makes runs again. With most of the top order struggling, he stars for NZ. In all formats. Now Young is demonstrating the best skills for a reserve batsman, he can play 1 through 6. In any format. He'd bat at 11 to get a debut. That is how bad he wants it.

After this, he is clearly the reserve batsmen, for tests at least. As Munro was dropped from the ODI team, but still the batting spare as Nicholls opens and Neesham enjoys a purple summer, and getting his intl spot back as an allrounder. But Young made the test squad for NZ, and may have debut'd in the third test against Bangladesh if KW was not fit to play, but for the shooting calling the game off.

With the IPL on, NZ send a weaker team to play Australia's top team in three unofficial ODI matches. Young smashes them. Starc, Haze, the lot of them. He scores a 60 but he injured his arm and was unable to throw the ball. He carried on finishing the series, then scoring 2 back to back centuries and playing matches not able to throw a ball, and still made huge runs. Reportedly, he chose surgery over being a WC reserve, but at the point he was unable to throw a ball in the field, he was not likely to be going to the World Cup for NZ imo.

He had surgery, and should be fit at some point during the domestic summer here. What Yong did last summer, is finally turn around his perceived inability to convert 50's into 100's. He is quite talented, orthodox and technically correct. So he is the next cab off the rank. He has been very unlucky not to have played for NZ in any format as yet.

Devon Conway, from South Africa, is still on an eligibility timer with over a year to go. Teenage sensation, Rachin Ravindra started last summer gloriously for NZA, but has yet to make a consistent mark in the domestic FC scene, where he makes runs, but made 3 ducks in a row, with far too many single digit scores as well. A nervous starter perhaps?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/ ... 59767.html <<< Rachin

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica ... 79140.html << Conway



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Post by Harmer » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:00 am

Conway new for me.He is not In any SOA team coming to India next mos under Markram & Under Bavuma

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Post by Paddles » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:38 am

Harmer wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:00 am
Conway new for me.He is not In any SOA team coming to India next mos under Markram & Under Bavuma

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Conway moved to NZ two years ago. He will play for NZ when eligible.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica ... 79140.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon_Conway

He's a gun. Can keep wicket too.

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Post by Harmer » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:24 am

thanks

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Post by 3rd man » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:05 pm

I can't help but notice a steady stream of South Africans declaring for NZ. Is this a deliberate recruitment policy by NZC or a coincidence?

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Post by going south » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:53 pm

Reverse migration of kolpak?

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Post by Paddles » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:30 am

3rd man wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:05 pm
I can't help but notice a steady stream of South Africans declaring for NZ. Is this a deliberate recruitment policy by NZC or a coincidence?
Both. We have many South Africans moving here anyway due to the political climate in South Africa. But South Africans unable to secure County Cricket deals have oft migrated to NZ. Wagner for example. And the likes of Philips, Watling and Munro came here as youngsters for example. So there's two types there to begin with.

NZC by virtue of the provincial teams has actively "assisted" a couple of SA U19 players in that they are helped to get established in NZ should they choose to move here. Speeds up the immigration process, and gives them some security etc. IIRC - the U19 was held in NZ, so it was really easy for these guys to make connections in NZ at that time. But its pretty easy for any player to reach out to the NZC provinces in the world.

I don't know if Conway was "recruited", or just turned up and tried his luck here. Most FC pros obviously would rather head to England, but if they cannot secure a deal there, then look at NZ.

Teams are limited to 2 ineligible players per match, and 3 for t20. There's only 6 teams, and it takes 3 years to qualify. So if NZ was packed to the limit, there would be say about 18 ineligible players at anyone time - but the real number is about 10 or 12. Its about a 50/50 split of those who moved here young, vs who moved here after U19's or FC.

But the Saffir invasion has directly coincided with NZ's improvement in tests. Watling and Wagner have given a lot to the test team. It is undeniable. But it is also the raised standards of domestic cricket. Even our t20 competition is high quality now with most teams only having 1 overseas pro, who is really here waiting for a BBL spot to open up after an injury. Or more commonly, warming up for the BBL.

CdG is from Zimbabwe - played u19s in Zimbabwe - and wanted to get out of Zimbabwe. He ended up in NZ.

Saffirs are warmly welcomed into NZ culture. And they like moving here. That is why so many have come here as youngsters with their parents.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/sports/27-06-2 ... lack-caps/

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Post by 3rd man » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:00 am

Paddles wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:30 am

I don't know if Conway was "recruited", or just turned up and tried his luck here. Most FC pros obviously would rather head to England, but if they cannot secure a deal there, then look at NZ.
And if all else fails, they come to Ireland

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Post by Paddles » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:45 am

3rd man wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:00 am
Paddles wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:30 am

I don't know if Conway was "recruited", or just turned up and tried his luck here. Most FC pros obviously would rather head to England, but if they cannot secure a deal there, then look at NZ.
And if all else fails, they come to Ireland
You getting South Africans? I would think you'd be getting spinners from Pakistan.

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Post by 3rd man » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:30 am

Paddles wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:45 am
You getting South Africans? I would think you'd be getting spinners from Pakistan.
Definitely in the last 15-20 years or so there has been quite a few players from SA (and Australia/New Zealand) who spend their winters playing cricket in Ireland. Most get gigs as club pros and some decide to go through the naturalisation process and progress to the international setup. Our breakthrough 2007 team had 3 Aussies and one South African who came to us via this route . Our current squad, not so much. James Cameron-Dow and Indian born Simi Singh (who came to Ireland to study engineering rather than play cricket) are currently on the fringes of the international team. Then you have some who go back to their native countries and go on to bigger things, best example being AB De Villiers and more recently Rassie Van Der Dussen.

The closest thing to a spinner from Pakistan we have ever got was when Shahid Afridi played for us as an overseas player back when we used to play in the English County Championship. The Asian players situation is a strange one. Like most European countries we have had steadily growing ex-pat communities from India and Pakistan for the last 40 years or so - the son of an Indian is currently our Taoiseach (that's Prime Minister to you) and while they account for a large proportion of club cricketers, Simi Singh is the only one to progress through to provincial and international level.

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