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Postby bolero » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:04 am

India name squads for Australia tour

A few surprises in the squads India have named for their upcoming Test and Twenty20 series' against Australia

India have named a strong 18-player squad for their Test series against Australia this summer, while former captain MS Dhoni will not be seen during the Twenty20 series against the Aussies.

Experienced batter Rohit Sharma has won a recall to the Test squad after he was overlooked for the recent series against the West Indies, while there is no room for Shikhar Dhawan, Gautam Gambhir and Suresh Raina.

Instead, India will rely on exciting teenager Prithvi Shaw at the top of their batting order, with Murali Vijay, KL Rahul, Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane expected to provide the support to in-form skipper Virat Kohli.

There were few surprises in the bowlers India selected, with experienced spinners Ravichandran Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja selected alongside slow left-armer Kuldeep Yadav.

Umesh Yadav headlines a seam attack that includes Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Jasprit Bumrah.

Kohli was named captain for the three-game T20 series against Australia, with Rohit selected as his vice-captain.

There was no room for Dhoni, however, who will sit out T20 series' against both the West Indies and Australia during November.

The experienced Dhoni retired from Test cricket following the Boxing Day Test against Australia in 2014, but has featured consistently for India in one-day and T20 cricket ever since.

MSK Prasad didn't rule out a return for Dhoni in future, with India's chief selector claiming "it is not the end of Dhoni in T20Is".

Australia will play four Test matches against India, with the first five-day contest commencing in Adelaide on Thursday December 6.

The two nations will first contest three Twenty20 matches, with the Gabba in Brisbane hosting the opening game on Wednesday November 21.

India Test squad: Virat Kohli (C), M Vijay, KL Rahul, Prithvi Shaw, Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Hanuma Vihari, Rohit Sharma, Rishabh Pant, Parthiv Patel, Ravi Ashwin, Ravi Jadeja, Kuldeep Yadav, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Umesh Yadav, Jasprit Bumrah, Bhuvneshwar Kumar

India Twenty20 squad: Virat Kohli (C), Rohit Sharma (vc), Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Dinesh Karthik, Rishabh Pant (wk), Kuldeep Yadav, Yuzvendra Chahal, Washington Sundar, Krunal Pandya, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Jasprit Bumrah, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby bolero » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:05 am

India Tour of Australia 2018-19

Gillette T20s v India

November 21: The Gabba

November 23: MCG

November 25: SCG

Domain Tests v India

December 6-10: Adelaide Oval

December 14-18: Perth Stadium

December 26-30: MCG

January 3-7: SCG

Gillette ODI Series v India

January 12: SCG (D/N)

January 15: Adelaide Oval (D/N)

January 18: MCG (D/N)

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby bolero » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:15 am

Pandya is unfit, its a big blow to India's chances of winning. Hence not been selected.

I am surprised at Rohit Sharma's inclusion in the Test Squad. He has been a constant failure in the longer version.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:35 pm

so this is the squad of players that will go down in history as the first to win a test series in Australia :think:

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby bolero » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:40 pm

MS Dhoni's exclusion reflects selectors' vision for 2020 World Cup; Rohit Sharma's Test return adds experience in middle order

After two hours of consultation and discussion the Indian selectors finally announced four different squads. There was the T20I squad for the West Indies and the Australia series, the A tour to New Zealand and the Test squad for Australia. The standout omission was Mahendra Singh Dhoni from the T20s and the prevalent inclusion was Rohit Sharma in the Test team to Australia.

Let's start with the 18-man squad picked for Australia, as this is seen as the landmark tour on the Indian calendar. Rohit's addition is sure to spark a debate on the merit of selection. The last time Rohit played red-ball cricket was all the way back in January in South Africa and was dropped due to a string of low scores. In between, he has been in scintillating form in white ball cricket, but does the limited overs' form warrant selection in the Test team?

To be fair, Rohit hasn't had a chance to prove his credentials, as there has been no red-ball cricket in that time frame, but at the same time what does that message state to Karun Nair? He was part of the Test squad in England and has now been demoted without playing any cricket at all. Chairman of selectors, MSK Prasad stated Rohit had been picked because of his ‘back foot game'. There is the certain truth, and the selectors seemed to have picked Rohit on a ‘horses for courses' theory. While it might be a selection gamble, perhaps India needs that experienced middle order batsmen and the selectors believe this could be Rohit's moment to shine down under. Only time will tell.

The other big discussion surrounds Murali Vijay. The Tamil Nadu batsman was dropped after the third Test, but went back to England and scored load of runs for Essex. KL Rahul and Prithvi Shaw are the first choice openers and it was either going to be Vijay or Mayank Agarwal. Vijay's golden tour down under in 2014 has titled the scales his way and rightly so. Agarwal is still untested and there is still a theory that he has a problem with the short ball. In the end, the right call was made.


The decision to pick Parthiv Patel is another mysterious case. With Wriddhiman Saha still on the sidelines and Dinesh Karthik's horror show with the bat in England, it is fair to say there weren't many other options. Interestingly, MSK Prasad said about Parthiv, "he can bat anywhere in the top-order", add to that, like Rohit, Parthiv is a fine cutter and puller of the ball, likes the fast pitches and loves the banter. While the selection of Parthiv is bizarre, did the selectors have any other choice? It would have been the massive gamble to take an untried wicket-keeper as a back-up to Pant.

The rest of the squad picks itself. Hanuma Vihari was in the 12 against the West Indies and did score a half-century in his last Test, he deserved to be on tour. Perhaps there was a thought of an additional pacer such as Mohammad Siraj, but with fast five bowlers already in the squad, it might just be sufficient. Add to that, Siraj will be with India A squad in New Zealand, so he is only a short flight away if needed.

The three spinners might seem too much for the Australian conditions, but given Ravichandran Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja's ability with the willow and the drop-in pitches in Australia, there might be a case that India will play the wrist spinner in Kuldeep Yadav in tandem with Ashwin or Jadeja. It also indicates that India is still uncertain which spinner will be the most effective on the Australian pitches.

By selecting an 18-man squad, the Indian selectors have left no stone unturned. The absence of Hardik Pandya, as an all-rounder is sure to affect the team balance, but as evident in England, perhaps it is time to revert back to the additional batsmen and believe that the fast bowling artillery has the ability to take 20 wickets on any type of surface.

One man that clearly has lost faith in the selectors is Mahendra Singh Dhoni. The former Indian captain was excluded from the T20 team against the West Indies and Australia. Given the next T20 World Cup is in 2020, it is the right call by the selectors. The decline in Dhoni's power game has been obvious for a while now and time has come to make Pant a regular keeper in the team.

In terms of the A squad to New Zealand, it is a right call by the selectors to include the Test incumbents as part of the squad. Prithvi Shaw, Ajinkya Rahane, Murali Vijay and Hanuma Vihari will play in the four-day match in New Zealand as part of the preparation for the Australian Test series. With only one tour match scheduled in Australia, it is a wise ploy by the selectors to get some match practice for the batsmen. The only problem is that the New Zealand pitches are different to Australia and the line-up they will confront is likely to be second string, first-class team. But with just the solitary practice match in Australia, at least the selectors are providing the Test players an opportunity.

In the end, there cannot be too many qualms about the squads. Bowlers have been managed. A legend has been brushed aside with an eye towards the future and batsmen have been picked based on conditions.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby bolero » Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:49 pm

Katto wrote:so this is the squad of players that will go down in history as the first to win a test series in Australia :think:


Australia are still the favorites. Don't see India winning even with the depleted Aussies squad.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:15 pm

This could be Murali Vijay's last chance.
Not even sure he'll get a game. Rahul and Shaw might open.
If Vijay does get a game - and fails, and if Rahul-Shaw click, it might be the end of his career.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:37 pm

raja wrote:This could be Murali Vijay's last chance.
Not even sure he'll get a game. Rahul and Shaw might open.
If Vijay does get a game - and fails, and if Rahul-Shaw click, it might be the end of his career.


So,

1 Shaw
2 Vijay/Rahul
3 Pujara
4 Kohli
5 Rahane
6 Pant +
7 Jadeja????? Or perhaps Rohit Sharma???
8 Kumar
9 Yadav /Sharma
10 Shami/Sharma
11 Bumrah

The question is - who of the batsmen, if any, bowls handy spin bowling for India to take a 4 prong bowling attack? Without Hardik Pandya - I would be looking at batsmen with more than useful spin and playing only 4 bowlers.

India should be looking to bat this Australian team out of the game every game, and back the bowlers to bowl Australia out twice in one, two or more games. This is the best way to exploit Australia's current weakness - Aus do not have the run-makers they're used to having. Finch struggles against quality swing/seam - not spin. And if Khawaja is fit - he has proven in UAE - that he is handling spin much better these days. I would stack the batting, and not be so concerned about including a front-line spinner.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:11 am

bolero wrote:
Katto wrote:so this is the squad of players that will go down in history as the first to win a test series in Australia :think:


Australia are still the favorites. Don't see India winning even with the depleted Aussies squad.


Why? They are superior in every department.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:13 am

Katto wrote:
bolero wrote:
Australia are still the favorites. Don't see India winning even with the depleted Aussies squad.


Why? They are superior in every department.


Wouldn't go quite that far.

Lyon is the best spinner in Australia by a mile. Starc, Haze and Cummins are proven in Australia whereas India are going to rely heavily on Bumrah. I back Bumrah to succeed, but I think India does not match Australia's bowling strength.

The question is whether they need to so as to win given India has a massive batting advantage on paper.

India need still need to play this smart. They ought to simply bat Australia out of the games because Aussie batting collapses appear to be inevitable.

If India do not win this series, that is a massive failure for India - I agree. Total and utter failure. But India still need to assess this situation correctly and get it right so as to capitalize on it. If they play Jadeja and Ashwin on a pitch with no turn, Finch will score 100s.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:35 am

This should be a cakewalk for BCCI.
Granted the Aussie bowling is decent, but even last time BCCI batsmen did more or less OK.
Not only Kohli but also Vijay, Rahul and Rahane did fairly well.
It was the bowling that ran into a rampaging Smith and got crushed.

This time, without Smith and Warner to worry about, BCCI have their best-ever chance of winning a series in Australia.
(If you don't count that Packer-impoverished side of 1977-78 which managed to beat India 3-2).

Unless of course Australia discovers a new hero.
It tends to happen whenever a team plays BCCI.

Like Sam Curran came out of the blue on the recent tour of England, maybe Australia springs a surprise. :grin:

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:39 am

It's a pity BCCI don't have batsmen who can bowl decent spin, even if part-time.
Like Tendulkar used to do.
That level of spin is probably enough in Aussie conditions. :-)
It's not like Ashwin would do much better. :-)

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:40 am

Actually I might even see Ashwin as a fairly useful batsman in Aussie conditions.
Any wicket he gets is just a bonus.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:48 am

Jadeja is the Kishore Kumar of BCCI.
Has been around for a while, always had potential - but probably never applied himself enough to try to make every performance count.
Kishore before 1969.

(Kishore Kumar is a legendary playback singer of India. A true all-rounder, dabbled in everything - writing, directing, acting. Had a reasonable singing career till about 1969, when some of his songs took off to such an extent that he became the most sought-after male voice in Hindi cinema. From then on, till his death in 1987, there was no looking back. Singing was his passion from early on, just that he probably didn't focus enough on it till about 1969).

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:51 am

raja wrote:It's a pity BCCI don't have batsmen who can bowl decent spin, even if part-time.
Like Tendulkar used to do.
That level of spin is probably enough in Aussie conditions. :-)
It's not like Ashwin would do much better. :-)


Yeah, a Sehwag or Tendulkar type rolling arm over with offies is all that is needed as the 5th bowler.

Like NZ has in KW, or Eng has in Root. Who can do this for India?

Kohli and Rahane bowl mediums. Pujara rarely bowls. Rahul is a wicket keeper. Shaw doesn't seem to bowl. Vijay is terrible so far.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:56 am

raja wrote:This should be a cakewalk for BCCI.
Granted the Aussie bowling is decent, but even last time BCCI batsmen did more or less OK.
Not only Kohli but also Vijay, Rahul and Rahane did fairly well.
It was the bowling that ran into a rampaging Smith and got crushed.

This time, without Smith and Warner to worry about, BCCI have their best-ever chance of winning a series in Australia.
(If you don't count that Packer-impoverished side of 1977-78 which managed to beat India 3-2).

Unless of course Australia discovers a new hero.
It tends to happen whenever a team plays BCCI.

Like Sam Curran came out of the blue on the recent tour of England, maybe Australia springs a surprise. :grin:


Curran was no surprise. He played for Auckland last summer (where I live) - and I watched his batting. I watched him chase down a seemingly impossible target with ease (say what you like about NZ batting weaknesses, NZC first class scene has good bowlers and the highest fielding standards). Absolute ease playing orthodox cricket shots at a very high required run rate. I predicted his batting ability before the series began. And I was right. That lad can bat very very well for a swing bowler snuck into the tail. :-) He had no business winning that game for Auckland, but he did it in a canter (playing straight drives - never seen anything like it tbh).

Agree with the rest of your post, though.

And for the record, his bowling for Auckland with a Kookaburra and not a Dukes under clouds - was woeful. I mean terrible. Pies, absolute pies.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:12 am

You knew of him cos he played for Auckland but I'd never even heard of Sam Curran till he made his Test debut. :-)

In fact when I saw his name in the team, I thought it was the Curran who'd played recently for England.
Only when I saw him mentioned as a 20-year old (or sth), that I went deeper into it and found that this was a different guy.
He's definitely a terrific find for England - as if they didn't already have enough quality allrounders.

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Postby Katto » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:14 am

raja wrote:This should be a cakewalk for BCCI.
Granted the Aussie bowling is decent, but even last time BCCI batsmen did more or less OK.
Not only Kohli but also Vijay, Rahul and Rahane did fairly well.
It was the bowling that ran into a rampaging Smith and got crushed.

This time, without Smith and Warner to worry about, BCCI have their best-ever chance of winning a series in Australia.
(If you don't count that Packer-impoverished side of 1977-78 which managed to beat India 3-2).

Unless of course Australia discovers a new hero.
It tends to happen whenever a team plays BCCI.

Like Sam Curran came out of the blue on the recent tour of England, maybe Australia springs a surprise. :grin:


yes it was a relatively close series, Smith being the difference
I think Michael Clarke retired half way through from memory

Australia's batsmen are even struggling in home conditions against domestic bowlers

it looks like Shaun Marsh has saved his international career on a Perth road as he normally does. That all bodes well for BCCI's chances.
They will be licking their lips at the prospect of an Australian batting line up featuring the likes of the Marsh brothers, Matt Renshaw and Travis Head.

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Postby Paddles » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:15 am

raja wrote:You knew of him cos he played for Auckland but I'd never even heard of Sam Curran till he made his Test debut. :-)

In fact when I saw his name in the team, I thought it was the Curran who'd played recently for England.
Only when I saw him mentioned as a 20-year old (or sth), that I went deeper into it and found that this was a different guy.
He's definitely a terrific find for England - as if they didn't already have enough quality allrounders.


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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby bolero » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:39 am

Katto wrote:
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Australia are still the favorites. Don't see India winning even with the depleted Aussies squad.


Why? They are superior in every department.


Not really . Some reasons.

1. Starc , Hazlewood and Cummins are lethal in Australia.
2. Indian batsmen who are lions and tigers at home struggle against pace, bounce, swing etc of good quality attacks away from home.
3. India will struggle against Lyon, the way they struggled against bearded Ali. This team is not as good against quality spin as the Indian batsmen a decade ago.
4. The balance of the team has been affected by the absence of Pandya, who is a fearless striker and bang the ball in fast bowler (Just the type for Aus pitches).
5. Most importantly Kohli's captaincy which was bizarre in England. Mind you, in the away series against RSA, India lost 2-1 and all 3 tests were winnable at some time by either team. Similarly against England, 4 out of 5 tests were in balance and India could have won the series with better application in batting and better captaincy. Will not take anything from Sam Curran and Moeen Ali who won the series for England.

What I mean to say is India is competitive away from home, but they lack the winning edge and fall short. Murali Vijay's place is on the line in the side. Except Kohli and to some extent Pujara, rest were walking wickets. In RSA again, Kohli stood tall but the remaining batsmen fell like nine pins.

Sure Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvaneshwar, Ishant and Pandya were lethal in RSA but RSA bowling of Philander, Rabada, Morkel, Ngidi, Steyn were better.

India are coming close but lack the winning edge.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:42 am

bolero wrote:
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Why? They are superior in every department.


Not really . Some reasons.

1. Starc , Hazlewood and Cummins are lethal in Australia.
2. Indian batsmen who are lions and tigers at home struggle against pace, bounce, swing etc of good quality attacks away from home.
3. India will struggle against Lyon, the way they struggled against bearded Ali. This team is not as good against quality spin as the Indian batsmen a decade ago.
4. The balance of the team has been affected by the absence of Pandya, who is a fearless striker and bang the ball in fast bowler (Just the type for Aus pitches).
5. Most importantly Kohli's captaincy which was bizarre in England. Mind you, in the away series against RSA, India lost 2-1 and all 3 tests were winnable at some time by either team. Similarly against England, 4 out of 5 tests were in balance and India could have won the series with better application in batting and better captaincy. Will not take anything from Sam Curran and Moeen Ali who won the series for England.

What I mean to say is India is competitive away from home, but they lack the winning edge and fall short. Murali Vijay's place is on the line in the side. Except Kohli and to some extent Pujara, rest were walking wickets. In RSA again, Kohli stood tall but the remaining batsmen fell like nine pins.

Sure Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvaneshwar, Ishant and Pandya were lethal in RSA but RSA bowling of Philander, Rabada, Morkel, Ngidi, Steyn were better.

India are coming close but lack the winning edge.


yeah but everything you've said is negated if you take one look at Australia's current batting line up :grin:

who's going to score the runs necessary to post 350+ scores?

Australia have 2 batsmen. One is under an injury cloud and the other has played 2 tests in his entire career.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby bolero » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:22 am

Yeah, Katto. As Paddles says, this is the best chance for India to cross the Aussie barrier. What Kumble or Ganguly could not do.

Problem is what I said earlier, India is very competitive but just not putting it across the line.

The Indian batting has been a big let down in both RSA and England. Its not the bowling that has been the problem.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:32 am

bolero wrote:Yeah, Katto. As Paddles says, this is the best chance for India to cross the Aussie barrier. What Kumble or Ganguly could not do.

Problem is what I said earlier, India is very competitive but just not putting it across the line.

The Indian batting has been a big let down in both RSA and England. Its not the bowling that has been the problem.


Australian pitches aren't as spicy as RSA or England. England also has heavier atmosphere aiding swing.
Indian batsmen have shown in recent tours they can bat long in Australia. They won't have to bat very long to eclipse this Australian line up.

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Postby Going South » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:39 pm

true. IMO Australian pitches are average just above pitches from subcontinent. They have no soul.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:54 am

Going South wrote:true. IMO Australian pitches are average just above pitches from subcontinent. They have no soul.


agreed, recent Australian pitches will be more like India than RSA or England pitches for sure

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:59 am

t20's - then tests - then ODI's?

I hope this type of scheduling does not catch on.

Put the limited overs together. Stop trying to double the ammount of duty free for limited overs players.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:34 am

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Not really . Some reasons.

1. Starc , Hazlewood and Cummins are lethal in Australia.
2. Indian batsmen who are lions and tigers at home struggle against pace, bounce, swing etc of good quality attacks away from home.
3. India will struggle against Lyon, the way they struggled against bearded Ali. This team is not as good against quality spin as the Indian batsmen a decade ago.
4. The balance of the team has been affected by the absence of Pandya, who is a fearless striker and bang the ball in fast bowler (Just the type for Aus pitches).
5. Most importantly Kohli's captaincy which was bizarre in England. Mind you, in the away series against RSA, India lost 2-1 and all 3 tests were winnable at some time by either team. Similarly against England, 4 out of 5 tests were in balance and India could have won the series with better application in batting and better captaincy. Will not take anything from Sam Curran and Moeen Ali who won the series for England.

What I mean to say is India is competitive away from home, but they lack the winning edge and fall short. Murali Vijay's place is on the line in the side. Except Kohli and to some extent Pujara, rest were walking wickets. In RSA again, Kohli stood tall but the remaining batsmen fell like nine pins.

Sure Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvaneshwar, Ishant and Pandya were lethal in RSA but RSA bowling of Philander, Rabada, Morkel, Ngidi, Steyn were better.

India are coming close but lack the winning edge.


who will take wickets in australia in test matches? indian middle order scored 30s and 40s in 90 minutes with chances while aus.tail Cummins / Haze/ Starc hits easily 100 more in no time.i wish kohli not drops pujara atleast in one test ONCE AGAIN

how many injury prone fast bowler in indian test team?


It is Bumrah's job to get Finch and Khawaja out early. I think Sharma may play as well and take the new ball. He gets good bounce in Australia. Shami, Yadav and Kumar - well there's room for two if no Jadeja or Ashwin play but they're not going to get swing over there until the night games. I straight up would hit Australia with a surprise of no spinner in the first test and hit them with 6 batsmen (put Rohit at 6). :D

I'd probably go with Shami over Kumar for the extra pace and better performances on lifeless tracks than Kumar if a spinner is deemed essential. If Kohli starts going Jadeja at 7, Ashiwin at 8, Shami, Sharma and Bumrah - he's losing the plot a bit. But Jadeja at least brings some batting if deemed essential. But the Aussies will bounce him, and bounce him, and bounce him. He won't get as many chances to play those glorious drives of his.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:26 am

Revealed: India's special requests to avoid 'bland' Aussie foods
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The BCCI has reportedly sent a number of specific requests to Cricket Australia to combat the ‘bland’ food usually served to their cricket team on tours down under.

India will return to Australia later this month for three T20 internationals, four Test matches and three ODIs.

With the touring squad announced last week, details have now emerged of the governing body’s recent planning mission involving two officials.

According to the Mumbai Mirror, the BCCI has felt forced to engage an Indian restaurant to provide curries to the team after players were unhappy with the taste of meals on recent tours.

It has also been requested that Australian stadiums completely remove beef from the Indian team’s menu.

Virat Kohli’s India will reportedly have more Indian-inspired food options available to them during the Australian Test summer.

That decision was reportedly made in part due to a controversy that erupted during India’s recent tour of England.

A BCCI tweet of a lunch menu featuring a beef pasta dish sent Indian cricket fans into a frenzy, with more than 2500 replies debating the issue.

Beef is a controversial food item in the country for religious and legal reasons.

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However, there’s more to the story.

In addition to a greater supply of fruit, CA has been asked to provide more vegetarian and Indian-inspired dishes to satisfy India’s cricketers.

“Players often complain about the blandness of food served in Australia,” the Mirror reported a BCCI source as saying.

“There are a few vegetarians in the team who really struggle at the grounds. The inspection team has also roped in an Indian restaurant in Australia to supply curries to the boys.”

The Mirror added that what the players eat has become a focus over the years as more emphasis is placed on fitness.

“Earlier, players would even consume cheeseburgers while on tour. It has all changed,” the outlet’s source reportedly said.

“Even if they indulge once in a while, they are a highly disciplined lot during a series, which basically means minimum red meat.”

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:14 am

Yes, if there's no swing for Bhuvi, he's a liability.
Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Yadav - with Ashwin/Jadeja as the spin option.
Considering this Aussie batting is unlikely to trouble anyone, maybe even drop one of these.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby raja » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:17 am

Normally Thommo plays up Australia's chances, doesn't he?
Now even he is pessimistic.
BCCI really have no business returning to India without winning this series.
Should be a thrashing, but at the very least a series win.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:55 pm

raja wrote:Normally Thommo plays up Australia's chances, doesn't he?
Now even he is pessimistic.


In my experience he calls a spade a spade.

He took the piss out of Ponting and predicted a loss for the Aussies in 2009 Ashes.

He is candid and full of candour.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:30 pm

raja wrote:Normally Thommo plays up Australia's chances, doesn't he?
Now even he is pessimistic.
BCCI really have no business returning to India without winning this series.
Should be a thrashing, but at the very least a series win.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spo ... 484418.cms


yes probably 2 or 3 nil.

I'd give the Aussies a chance of battling to a draw or two.

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:11 pm

SMH article reported in NZ

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/108 ... -the-brink


OPINION: Cricket in Australia is speeding towards a civil war and only one man can stop it.

It sounds like the slogan for a very bad movie, but it's more serious than that. We are beginning to grasp the gravity of the split in the cricket community over the "Let them play" push, the groundswell to lift the bans on Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft.

The players' union has made a formal request to Cricket Australia, which has shown no inclination to remove or moderate the bans. Its new chief executive, Kevin Roberts, says he has received "as many messages from people suggesting that the suspensions are too lenient as those who are sending messages saying they're too harsh".

I won't insult your intelligence by proposing that Roberts is the man who can bring peace. Even less his former boss, David Peever. If the week has made one thing clear, it's CA's utter surrender of all moral authority in the real world.


Peever's manoeuvrings to keep his position were not just comically transparent, but ultimately irrelevant. Whoever sits in the chair is powerless to stop the coming civil war.

The rift is not measured by how many people hold which view, but by the intensity with which they are held. This is an uproar of the social media age, and all sides are reacting to that.

Hundreds of thousands of Australians believe with extreme fervour that the bans were heavy-handed in the first place and are now hopelessly undermined by the exposure of CA's responsibility. Hundreds of thousands of others believe that the three players were rightly punished because they were the people caught cheating in Cape Town, and, when the key criticism of Australia is 'winning without counting the costs', to recall the players because people are scared of losing at home to India would make the sport even more of a laughing stock than it is already.

Both sides hold their opinions passionately, and technology now gives everyone a way of making themselves heard. When India do come here and the Australian batting order has its first collapse, watch that passion erupt. More than any schism in memory, "Let them play" has the potential to turn Australians against each other – and, more profoundly and permanently, against cricket. It can split cricket beyond repair. It probably has already. It's that serious.

The Australian Cricketers' Association is acting in its members' interest by petitioning for a review. The new broadcasters are understood to be pressuring CA. Many current and past players are agitating for "Let them play". They are all within their rights, but if those players return this summer in the hour of their team's need, there will be a monumental counter-reaction. Expediency will again have triumphed and a large part of cricket will die. If winning means that much to them, they haven't seen half the costs yet.

CA is damned if it does, and damned if it doesn't. But who cares about CA. It has surrendered its sway as the leaders of Australian cricket.

A similar alienation will take hold if CA upholds the bans. Australia have never lost a home Test series to India. Reality will bite hard. The condemnation of the bans will turn poisonous. And spare a thought for the 11 players on the field; who would wish on them the pressure of representing Australia while half the country is calling for the reinstatement of two disgraced champions?

CA is damned if it does, and damned if it doesn't. But who cares about CA. It has surrendered its sway as the leaders of Australian cricket.

To see Ian Chappell on television this week was to be reminded of a century-old tradition in Australia, which was that the men's Test captain was the sport's captain. Chappell and his brother Greg, Don Bradman, Richie Benaud, Bob Simpson, Bill Woodfull, Joe Darling – these were the captains not just of the men's Test team but of Australian cricket.

Cricket Australia chairman David Peever eventually fell on his sword this week.

Their battles with administrators were ongoing, and in recent decades, since Allan Border's power-sharing agreement with Simpson and the creeping corporatisation of the sport, the captaincy has steadily diminished. He became just another employee. But in the eyes of the public, off-field staff have never held moral authority; in the hearts of Australians, the leader of the game is still the Test captain.

With apologies to the admirable Tim Paine, the leader of Australian cricket is Smith. Highly likely, Smith will again be the on-field captain in two years' time. Whether he wants it or not, Smith holds the solution to the current strife in his hands.

So far, in his silence, Smith has given tacit consent to the ACA's "Let them play" petition. While he remains silent, Smith can be understood to support the push. But does he really have what it takes to accept responsibility and again lead Australian cricket? We're about to find out.

Smith alone can bring peace by publicly stating that he accepts his ban and does not want the "Let them play" movement to go any further. (Warner and Bancroft, who will never hold leadership positions, are extraneous to the debate.)

You might ask why on earth Smith would say no to what he most wants; when he may well feel, after the Longstaff review, hard done by; when his own comrades want him on the field. To play again would seem the avenue to redemption.

Playing is not the only way back. There are far stronger reasons for Smith to publicly accept the ban. He accepted it several months ago. As far as appeals are concerned, that ship has sailed. There is no "new evidence" over whether or not he and his teammates were caught cheating. Far more important is his unique power to pull Australian cricket back from the brink.

If Smith accepts the ban and asks the ACA to withdraw its action on his behalf, the 'Let them play' movement would be quelled. You can't agitate for him to play if he says he won't play. And on the other side, if Smith takes such action, he will earn back a good deal of the respect he lost in South Africa. He will emerge as a significant peacemaker. Australian cricket can thank him as the man who transcended his own interests and desires to act for the greater good.

Can Smith do it? I have no insight into his state of mind and do not know how he is being advised. Taking the field, however, does not automatically solve his problems. Ian Chappell has made the sage observation that the current bans, sparing Smith, Warner and Bancroft from crowds this summer, might be doing the three players an emotional favour. If they are back on the field, they will get a rude awakening if they expect to be received as saviours.

There is one other thing. CA has already spared Smith and Warner from investigation over what could have been the prime focus after Cape Town, which was to find out for how long these players had been cheating. Allegations have been made by other teams, there is ample circumstantial evidence, and even Border repeated this week that ball tampering has been going on in the Australian team for a long time.

These questions have gone uninvestigated and unanswered. CA has not wanted to go down that path – for obvious reasons – omitted it, glaringly, from the Longstaff review's terms of reference. Smith and Warner are lucky that there is so little appetite in Australia to open that can of worms. The banned players have been unfairly isolated, but that isn't the same as saying they have been hard done by.

The "Players' Pact" that emerged from the CA reviews has been roundly derided, but its core holds something noble. In explaining the pact, Paine said, "It's not our cricket team. It's Australia's cricket team".

Steve Smith has a clear opportunity to put those words into action. He can do something for the short term, or he can do something that can help heal a widening destructive rift in the game. All it needs is one simple statement.

By stepping away, he will be taking a major step forward.



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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:27 pm

I take stuff.co.nz articles with a pinch of salt

right up there with CNN in terms of credibility

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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Paddles » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:02 pm

Katto wrote:I take stuff.co.nz articles with a pinch of salt

right up there with CNN in terms of credibility


It is a SMH article written by Malcolm Knox.
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Re: Indian Squad for Australian Tour Down Under

Postby Katto » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:27 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:I take stuff.co.nz articles with a pinch of salt

right up there with CNN in terms of credibility


It is a SMH article written by Malcolm Knox.


same goes for SMH

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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

Postby Paddles » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:50 am

I think Rohit would be dangerous in Australia in the middle order. I would play Rohit at 6. Pant at 7 and the 4 best quicks.
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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

Postby Paddles » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:21 am

This i smy themesong of India's tour of Australia this summer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtEjGgdZhc4
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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

Postby Paddles » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:48 pm

Paddles wrote:I think Rohit would be dangerous in Australia in the middle order. I would play Rohit at 6. Pant at 7 and the 4 best quicks.


Sharma called up for the test squad out of the A team :-)

Looks like Kohli maybe thinking the same way.

1 Vijay/Dhawan
2 Shaw
3 Pujara
4 Kohli
5 Rahane
6 Sharma
7 Pant
8 Kumar/Yadav
9 Shami
10 I Sharma
11 Bumra

I think it has enough batting to get the job done even with the tail starting at 8.

Sharma and Pant teeing off with the tail will be good viewing.
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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

Postby bolero » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:02 am

Why Nehra is worried for Aus-bound India bowlers...

'In Australia, you will get extra bounce but there will only be lateral movement till the kookaburra seam doesn't flatten. It won't be like England where the ball swings all day. Once you get adjusted to the bounce, batsmen can hit you all day'

'I don't see Bhuvi starting in the first Test at least. He can struggle a bit with the old kookaburra as it will neither swing or seam unlike Dukes or SG Test'.

The Indian pace attack has been a revelation this year during overseas tours but tougher conditions in Australia will make it a very challenging series for the fast bowlers, reckons former speedster Ashish Nehra.

Nehra, who was a part of the Indian squad that drew the 2003-04 series in Australia 1-1, felt the current attack "has the ability" to succeed but conditions will be different than what they got in England and South Africa.

"Australian team is going through a massive restructuring and this is India's best chance without doubt. We have the bowling attack to beat them. But we need to be mindful that conditions will be much tougher Down Under where the wickets will be flat and weather would be on warmer side," the 39-year-old Nehra told PTI in an interview.

"In Australia, you will get extra bounce but there will only be lateral movement till the kookaburra seam doesn't flatten. It won't be like England where the ball swings all day. Once you get adjusted to the bounce, batsmen can hit you all day," said Nehra, who has played 17 Tests and 120 ODIs apart from 27 Twenty20 Internationals.

The hard Australian grounds can always pose fitness challenges for speed merchants as the feet takes a lot more pounding than England or New Zealand.

"In England, if your fast bowler takes a couple of wickets in a six-over spell, the captain is tempted to give two or three more overs in lure of getting couple of more wickets in midst of a good spell. In Australia, it may not be such a good idea all the time in sultry conditions," he said.

According to Nehra, it will be Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma and one between Mohammed Shami and Umesh Yadav, who will be starting in Adelaide.

"I don't see Bhuvi starting in the first Test at least. He can struggle a bit with the old kookaburra as it will neither swing or seam unlike Dukes or SG Test," Nehra opined.

Nehra said that Umesh Yadav's supreme fitness and good skill sets should make him an asset in the Australian conditions.

"I still believe that Umesh is not a finished product after eight years but someone who has incredible skill sets. He is a strong lad and the fittest among all Indian pacers. A testimony to that are his performances in Indian conditions when he can reverse the 65-70 overs old ball at a good speed. You need both skill and strength for that. He should feature sometime," Nehra said.

The former left-arm seamer said that Mohammed Shami's fitness in England impressed him a lot.

"What I liked was Shami bowling with fire in the second innings of the fifth Test at the Oval. Now that takes a lot of doing. I hope he can keep it up in Australia also if he starts from the first Test," he observed.

Ishant Sharma's stamina will also be required as his fitness is what makes him "special", said his former state and national team colleague.

"If you look at Ishant Sharma, the 87 Tests that he has played is a testimony to his fitness. Often people will look at the wickets column (256) but bowling 35-40 overs for more than decade requires special skills.

"Let me be honest. Whether it's me or Rudra Pratap Singh or S Sreesanth, we had more skills as fast bowler than Ishant. I had my share of injuries and RP also had fitness issues. Sreesanth was a different case altogether despite being blessed with enormous skills. But then Ishant has been fit for so long, so let's give credit where it is due," said Nehra, who is still an unofficial 'go to' Man for all premier fast bowlers in the country.

It will be Bumrah's first Test tour of Australia and Nehra is confident that Australians will find it difficult to play him.

"Jasprit Bumrah is much more skilful red-ball bowler than what he is perceived to be. His yorkers will come in very handy with old kookaburra. Any batsman, who has not played Bumrah before can find it difficult to counter the awkward angle that his delivery creates.

"And in England, I found out that he can now get the ball to straighten consistently after pitching. So Bumrah is not a one-dimensional bowler," he concluded.


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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

Postby Paddles » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:51 am

Yeah - I agree with Nehra. Only play Kumar if grassy.

Further, I say play 4 seamers, no spinners outside of Sydney, Sharma at 6 for mine.

Jadeja and Ashwin both - BCCI is dreaming.

Play Shami, Yadav, Sharma and Bumrah - all 4.

Go whole hog at Aus. Forget the spinner.

Task 1 - Bat Aus out of the game.

Task 2 - Bowl the Marsh's out.
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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

Postby Going South » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:24 pm

no spinner? you must be joking.

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Re: Australia vs India: 3 T20I, 4 Test & 3 ODI; Nov 21, 2018 to Jan 18, 2019

Postby Paddles » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:31 pm

Going South wrote:no spinner? you must be joking.

No. Deadly serious
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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

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Paddles wrote:This i smy themesong of India's tour of Australia this summer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtEjGgdZhc4


Hmm!
Very candid and full of candour. :lol:

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Re: India's Full Tour Of Australia (3 T20I, 4 Tests & 3 ODI ):Nov 21-2018 To Jan.18-2019

Postby Paddles » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:58 am

Halo wrote:
Paddles wrote:This i smy themesong of India's tour of Australia this summer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtEjGgdZhc4


Hmm!
Very candid and full of candour. :lol:


;-)

Ton up Kohli, wiggle your belly...
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Re: Australia vs India: 3 T20I, 4 Test & 3 ODI; Nov 21, 2018 to Jan 18, 2019

Postby bolero » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:11 am

Good to see Vihari showing he is not a fluke. Mayank Agarwal is breathing down the neck of guys like Rahane.

If only Agarwal could bowl, he would be in the team now.

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Re: Australia vs India: 3 T20I, 4 Test & 3 ODI; Nov 21, 2018 to Jan 18, 2019

Postby Paddles » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:16 am

You're in the wrong thread, but Vihari ate up the short stuff like it was chicken tikka. He was all over it.
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Postby Halo » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:42 pm

Interesting location in prime time at least in Australia at our sixth largest city the famous Gold Coast.
No Starc Cummins or Hazlewood who are currently playing for NSW.
We may see Billy Stanlake and a big hitting batting line up who still have to face Rabada and Ngidi with Steyn out probably surfing at Noosa.
This last week has been a junket for SA very strange scheduling indeed. :?

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Re: Australia vs India: 3 T20I, 4 Test & 3 ODI; Nov 21, 2018 to Jan 18, 2019

Postby Paddles » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:49 pm

Halo wrote:Interesting location in prime time at least in Australia at our sixth largest city the famous Gold Coast...

This last week has been a junket for SA very strange scheduling indeed. :?


I don't think anything Cricket Australia does anymore may be deemed "strange".
"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

HAHA!