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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:32 am

Going South wrote:bullshit D/L system. BCCI got robbed off a win. no
way i. hell staffers can win this had they played full 50 overs with 5 wickets down.


Safrica were only 1 wicket down, after 7.2 overs, which was the last ball bowled before the rain.

Rain does typically favour the chasing team, but look where India really messed up besides not batting second after winning the toss.

India were 1/178 after 31 overs - they get only 111 runs off the next 19 overs. All batsmen to bat then went at under a run a ball after Kohli 75(83) and Dhawan 109 (105) built a great platform to launch from.

Rahane 8(13)
Iyer 18(21)
Dhoni 42*(43)
Pandya 9(13)
Kumar 5(7)

South Africa lost 22 overs, 132 balls, from which 88 runs was deducted. That is a rpo of just 4 runs an over. 202 in 28 overs is a rpo of over 7, which Safrica was already behind on after 7.2 overs, for an Indian score at less than 6.

The batsmen, Chahal, Yadav, and Pandya just did not give Kumar and Bumrah anything to work with at the end. And if rain is on the forecast, look to bat second when winning the toss.

I seriously do not understand what Dhoni is doing at times in limited overs games now for a number of years with his far too often "go slow". He will remain an ODI legend, but these types of batting scores do give support to accusations of selfish average padding or just not being as good as his rated reputation on raw stats claims to be.

He is one of the slickest glovemen I have ever watched, and obviously a very good batsman in limited overs, but is he playing overs 35/40 to 50 right? I personally think he is leaving it too late to launch an attack and going too "deep" as he puts it, too often.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:23 am

Going South wrote:bullshit D/L system. BCCI got robbed off a win. no
way i. hell staffers can win this had they played full 50 overs with 5 wickets down.


You are right but D/L always favours the chasing team.That's how the system works

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:36 am

I agree with Paddles that Dhoni is on thin ice.He has not done anything in batting of note, and is blocking a place.Just bcoz of keeping and captaincy input, he is in the side.That is skating on thin ice.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:42 am

India partly to blame.Who told Kohli to bat after winning toss when thunderstorm expected.

200 for 2 before rain interruption, that affected batting, I agree.320 at least was on cards.

But middle order is loose which I mentioned before.

Also, Shreyas Iyer dropping Miller and Chahals no balls.

Spinners could not grip the ball.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:18 am

bolero wrote:
Going South wrote:bullshit D/L system. BCCI got robbed off a win. no
way i. hell staffers can win this had they played full 50 overs with 5 wickets down.


You are right but D/L always favours the chasing team.That's how the system works


Not "always".

If the rain is before the between innings break. it is widely held that the chasing team gets the best of it (in this post t20 era).

If the rain occurs in the second innings, it depends on how many wickets have fallen. Here it was just 1 wicket (not 5 as mentioned, nor even 3). So that was okay for South Africa. Had they been 5 wickets down, the chase would have been much more brutal. This is where the team batting first may secure a big advantage. But obtaining those early wickets are crucial for this.

So it is more accurate to say that rain typically favours the team batting second unless the rain occurs after the chasing team has lost a bunch of early wickets.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:21 am

bolero wrote:I agree with Paddles that Dhoni is on thin ice.He has not done anything in batting of note, and is blocking a place.Just bcoz of keeping and captaincy input, he is in the side.That is skating on thin ice.


Oh there was a fabulous hundred with Yuvi not long ago. There was a lone stand of 65 against SL, in vain, but gave India respectability.

The guy is a good limited overs batsman.

But I don't think he finishing innings off as best as a - he either used to or b - he is still widely acclaimed for. For years now, I feel like he is far too often going slow at the death, be it in chase or setting a score. This is but yet another example. I expect more than 42(43) on that scorecard from Dhoni. Too slow.

I've read many criticisms of Dhoni, I think the glove work criticism is unwarranted, he is a master of stumpings and run outs, just naturally freakish hand eye coordination in that regard, but I think there is some validity to the batting criticisms.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:55 pm

come on. he is a wicket keeper. how many wicket keepers do you demand superb batting??? just because it’s dhoni you expect too much.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:19 pm

Going South wrote:come on. he is a wicket keeper. how many wicket keepers do you demand superb batting??? just because it’s dhoni you expect too much.


Tbf - a lot of them. Aus has Carey now. Eng has Buttler and Bairstow. SA has Qdk. Zimbo has Taylor. Pakistan has Sarfaraz. They're the good 'uns.

NZ has gone through 5 and debuting its 6th this week in 15 months trying to find one who bats well everywhere in t20 and odi - Watling, Ronchi, Latham, Philips, Blundell and now Seifert.

So yeah - I demand keepers in top 7 to bat well. And since Stewart, Prior, McCullum, Flower, Sanga and Gilchrist - its pretty much the norm for teams of high expectations.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:52 am

Dhoni was once a very reliable finisher in ODIs/T20s.
As a BCCI supporter, you always felt, as long as he was around, there was hope.
It's been a while since I've had that feeling about Dhoni.
He might occasionally play a good knock - but it's too occasional for my liking.
Happens to the best of players - many fade out towards the end of their careers.
Viv Richards is one of the best examples I can think of.
Kapil Dev too had a long fading-out period.

Doesn't mean Dhoni isn't a legend - just means it puts more pressure on the side.
They were used to getting runs from him at a great rate, and winning games as a result.
Now others have to step up and fill in.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 am

Anil Kumble himself struggled in his last few series.
Doesn't mean he isn't a legend.
Just that the magic wasn't there anymore - and that often hurts the side.
It's a team game, after all.

Dhoni might still prove me wrong - and I'd be happy to see him re-emerge from this phase.
He has the ability to do so.
But that is speculative - rather say it as I see it. :-)

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:10 am

Sage words raja.

But I wonder if Dhoni could try harder.

To get out swinging is different to boodling it around to 40/50 or not out.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:00 pm

My 2 cents on Dhoni. He is struggling as a batsman. And is lucky that someone like Rishabh Pant has not made it to the next level as a keeper batsman.

Dhoni is struggling to get the ball away. He is fading out.

He is in the team only because of his wicket keeping and captaincy input (he still guides the bowlers and Kohli).

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:16 pm

Paddles wrote:Sage words raja.

But I wonder if Dhoni could try harder.

To get out swinging is different to boodling it around to 40/50 or not out.


Will be interesting to see how Dhoni goes in the T20s and in the IPL.
Especially the IPL.
Pressure from a franchise is very different from pressure playing a T20I.
Dhoni himself said as much in a post-match interview (IPL) many years ago, when CSK won a must-win game to qualify for the next stage.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:19 pm

Dhoni, current stats (T20I vs IPL):
Not much to choose between the two - so far.
Let's see how this looks after this season.
T20I 86 75 38 1364 56 36.86 1091 125.02 0 0 1 94 43
IPL 159 143 49 3561 70 37.88 2604 136.75 0 0 17 251 156

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:30 pm

not enough score to defend. no need to ask for rains.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby louie_db9 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:43 pm

Looks to be heading to a drawn series...

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:25 pm

that target 274 is gettable all credit to BCCI Bowlers. kuldeep yadav should be man of match instead of no-hit sharma.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:32 am

India win the ODI series 4-1 away from home in SA.That's creditable.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:36 am

Too many dropped catches for my liking from the Indians.

Middle order which I said before is very shaky.

India always depending on Dhawan, Rohit and Kohli.

I felt the ODI series which India had with Aus and NZ were competitive. SA became better 4th ODI onwards.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:46 am

Kuldeep and Chahal were great throughout except an aberration in 4th ODI when Chahal bowled those infamous no balls and got wicket of them.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:39 am

Virat Kohli and Co break 25-year-old jinx, become first Indian side to win a bilateral ODI series on Proteas soil

New Delhi: History had beckoned in Johannesburg when India set foot at the Wanderers Stadium with a 3-0 lead and one hand on the silverware. However, in Pink of colours, South Africa found rain as a blessing in disguise as the hosts outclassed a dominant Indian side to register a five-wicket victory and thus derail their train to a historic junction. India returned to Port Elizabeth, the doomed land for the Men in Blue who had even tasted defeat against Kenya in a triangular series in 2001-02 tour. But India scripted a thrilling return in the fifth ODI match against South Africa to carve a piece of history for themselves. Virat Kohli-led India became the first Indian side to clinch a bilateral series in South Africa.

Mohammad Azharuddin-led India had tried their luck in 1992-93 tour of South Africa, only to lose 2-5 in the seven-match series. A shared captaincy between Rahul Dravid and Virender Sehwag also couldn't convince history to befriend them as India were bitterly humiliated in the 2006-07 tour with a 0-4 defeat in the five-match series. MS Dhoni too chipped in his efforts, twice, but failed both times. In fact, their closest attempt to series victory came back in 2010-11, when Dhoni-led India had claimed a 2-1 lead only to later lose the five-ODI series by 2-3. India's last tryst with defeat on Proteas soil was in the 2013-14 tour when they lost 0-2 in the three-match series.

In the Test format, India maintained their relationship with defeat as their seven attempts in the Rainbow Nation went in vain. Barring three one-off encounters in T20Is in 2007, 2011 and 2013, India have never won a series in South Africa. And all until Tuesday night in Port Elizabeth.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:00 pm

yey. kudos to kohli team.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:40 pm

impressive batting by zondo.

do we see 280?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:13 pm

200 seems to be doubtful

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:16 pm

This is a poor SA side, running into a high-quality BCCI side.
5-1.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:31 pm

hahahahahaha
kohli is going to give nightmares to south africans for a looooooooong time to remember.

what a player !!!

Salute !!

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:33 pm

what an ass whopping ODI series.
played at home ! 25 year record ousted.
that hurts !
expecting heads to roll?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby shourey » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:01 pm

5-1 ODI Series in SA , in SA ?
Are you kidding me !

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South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:03 pm

it could have been 6-0 as no way in hell they can win 5 wicket down with rain helping with crooked D/L

target 290 to make. they were 207/5 in 25 overs. all good bats already out. noway in hell they can win.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby raja » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:28 am

Tinsel wrote:http://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-full-commentary/19165/rsa-vs-ind-6th-odi-india-tour-of-south-africa-2017-18
Most 100s as ODI captains:
22 R Ponting (220 inngs)
*13 AB de Villiers (98)/ Virat Kohli (46)
11 S Ganguly (143)
10 S Jayasuriya (118)


Three 100s in a series for India:
Sourav Ganguly in SA, World Cup 2003


The 3 hundreds by Ganguly in SA during 2003 World Cup were:
2 against Kenya, 1 against Namibia

His other scores were
8,9, 24, 19, 0 (Pak), 19, 48 (SL), 3, 24.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:08 am

Watched the highlights.Kohli was sublime.It was a stupid strategy by SA bowlers to bowl repeatedly short at him.It looked like a Mitchell Johnson tactic.It backfired expectedly as Kohli plays both the hook and pull shots.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:39 am

It almost always is. How often does bowling short work as a tactic compared to pitching it up

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:41 pm

dhawan departs. good knock.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby louie_db9 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 pm

I really don't rate Manish Pandey.

India innings tails off again to 203-5

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:11 pm

but they got a great start could have been 220.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:12 pm

i get irritated to see harsha bhogle nonsense antiques.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Paddles » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:28 pm

Going South wrote:i get irritated to see harsha bhogle nonsense antiques.


He's not that old :D
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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby louie_db9 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:47 pm

5 for Bhuvneshwar very good. And an excellent run-out by Pandya.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby bolero » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:59 pm

India win.1st T20.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:49 pm

Tinsel wrote:Earthquake in UK
Hope Boyces okay


Didn’t even notice! Though my other half said she thought she felt her chair judder

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Loose halo » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:19 am

Watched a road being built in Kent once they layered it seven times. Gotta hand it to pommie engineers.
I assume buildings are equally solid.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:13 am

We built some decent bridges in our time :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:14 am

Boycs wrote:We built some decent bridges in our time :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel

he must be a time traveling alien from another universe acting as a human.

i have always thought certain “humans” are not actually humans.

i am strong believer of MIB universe.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:15 am

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:21 am

Paddles wrote:
Going South wrote:i get irritated to see harsha bhogle nonsense antiques.


He's not that old :D

lol. auto correct.

he sure act like a sly used car salesman trying to con you.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Boycs » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:50 am

Going South wrote:
Boycs wrote:We built some decent bridges in our time :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel

he must be a time traveling alien from another universe acting as a human.

i have always thought certain “humans” are not actually humans.

i am strong believer of MIB universe.



Andy Worhol probably fits into this category

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Re: South Africa vs India: 6 ODI & 3 T20I; February 1-24, 2018 at South Africa

Postby Going South » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:09 pm

30 needed from 22 balls