The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Verity » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:39 am

Boycs wrote:Haha poor root, he feels sick at the thought of converting a fifty into a hundred :D


he could easily have a 60 average as well his actually passed 50 more times then both Smith and Kohli.

Kohli - 15 / 20 - 35 in 106 innings

Smith - 23 / 23 - 46 in 111 innings

Root - 37 / 13 - 50 in 119 innings

so if Root wasnt so shit at converting he'd have a freakish record.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:57 am

to clarify my thoughts on the Aussie bowling attack - as a group they're great, but none are great bowlers.

They're all very good and complement each other well. I think the only great bowler in this series, although he didn't show it here is/was Jimmy Anderson.

Happy to prove paddles wrong about Cummins though. :lol:

The upcoming series will be fascinating against a great bowler in Dale Steyn, who may or may not be fading, and three excellent support bowlers, one whom may become great by the end of his career. I think South Africa may have the edge in the batting, as ABDV and Smith cancel each other out, they've got a few more good players than we do.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:35 am

I see nothing wrong with your ratings verity. Bancroft perhaps with a 4 as he did get several starts.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:13 am

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Happy to prove paddles wrong about Cummins though. :lol:

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Yups - I was genuinely shocked he bowled bouncers and got the England tail out at the MCG and SCG which was so clutch for the Aus series win.

What really impressed me was his mid 130's pace when doing so - that's almost as fast as Wagner.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:20 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
Happy to prove paddles wrong about Cummins though. :lol:

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Yups - I was genuinely shocked he bowled bouncers and got the England tail out at the MCG and SCG which was so clutch for the Aus series win.

What really impressed me was his mid 130's pace when doing so - that's almost as fast as Wagner.


who?

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:23 am

Verity wrote:My ratings

Warner - 7
Bancroft - 2
Khawaja - 6
Smith - 10
S Marsh - 9
M Marsh - 9
Paine - 7.5
Starc - 8
Cummins - 8.5
Hazlewood - 8
Lyon - 10

Handscomb - 1


Lyon would be an 8, not a 10. Channel 9 commentary over hype him too much.
If he were knocking over right handers with the ease he was knocking over lefties he'd be a 10

I'd give the bowling attack all 8's and the Marsh bros. both 8's

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:23 am

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Yups - I was genuinely shocked he bowled bouncers and got the England tail out at the MCG and SCG which was so clutch for the Aus series win.

What really impressed me was his mid 130's pace when doing so - that's almost as fast as Wagner.


who?


Find Cummins on a current icc test bowling ranking list. Go up 29 places from 36th to 7th. That's Wagner.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:25 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
who?


Find Cummins on a test bowling ranking list. Go up 29 places from 36th to 7th. That's Wagner.


he's a nobody

Cummins would've gotten even more wickets had he had access to the new ball on each and every occasion

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:27 am

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Find Cummins on a test bowling ranking list. Go up 29 places from 36th to 7th. That's Wagner.


he's a nobody

Cummins would've gotten even more wickets had he had access to the new ball on each and every occasion


What's he need a new ball for for bowling all those bumpers?

Wagner doesn't oft get the bew ball. Thats for the swing or seam bowlers to use.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:30 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
he's a nobody

Cummins would've gotten even more wickets had he had access to the new ball on each and every occasion


What's he need a new ball for bowling bumpers?

Wagner doesn't oft get the bew ball.


he's obviously going to be using different tactics with a new ball :roll:

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:32 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
What's he need a new ball for bowling bumpers?

Wagner doesn't oft get the bew ball.


he's obviously going to be using different tactics with a new ball :roll:


But Poor man's Wagner is working better for him than Poor Man's Pattinson. And bowling those bumpers is how I predicted he'd have success. I think he ought to stay with the bumpers. Its a proven formula for him to suceed in vital dead rubbers at home. Leave the seam to Haze and the swing to Starc. Someone gotta bowl 3.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Boycs » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:32 pm

baggygreenmania wrote:England deserve to be verbally "smashed up" Boycs. Or at least does the ECB.

What is it doing to prepare its cricket team for the Aussie Ashes every four years to avoid embarrassment and humiliation? Sweet nothing..thats what. Have they built similar decks to what they will encounter in OZ to train on and play? If not they should.

Yes the climates may be chalk and cheese. But something has to be done. Even if it is playing with the Kookaburra ball leading into the tour.. similar to what we are now doing with the English Dukes in our domestic Shield competition.

The ECB has sat on its collective bum for too long while presiding over belting after belting.

How long will the players put up with it?



I like the idea of breeding Aussie pitches in England and using the kook ball.

I’m not against better prep. I’m just against people smashing the England team without acknowledging that Australia are actually good and England aren’t terrible just not as good as them.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:46 pm

Boycs wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:England deserve to be verbally "smashed up" Boycs. Or at least does the ECB.

What is it doing to prepare its cricket team for the Aussie Ashes every four years to avoid embarrassment and humiliation? Sweet nothing..thats what. Have they built similar decks to what they will encounter in OZ to train on and play? If not they should.

Yes the climates may be chalk and cheese. But something has to be done. Even if it is playing with the Kookaburra ball leading into the tour.. similar to what we are now doing with the English Dukes in our domestic Shield competition.

The ECB has sat on its collective bum for too long while presiding over belting after belting.

How long will the players put up with it?



I like the idea of breeding Aussie pitches in England and using the kook ball.

I’m not against better prep. I’m just against people smashing the England team without acknowledging that Australia are actually good and England aren’t terrible just not as good as them.


Just two average teams that don't travel well.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby raja » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:17 pm

One England player who I was surprised didn't do well in the series was Jonny Bairstow.
Except for that hundred, he didn't get too many runs.
Considering how, just about a season or two ago, he was constantly bailing England out of trouble, I expected more from him.
Any insights into what caused him to fail here?

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Verity » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:19 pm

Katto wrote:
Verity wrote:My ratings

Warner - 7
Bancroft - 2
Khawaja - 6
Smith - 10
S Marsh - 9
M Marsh - 9
Paine - 7.5
Starc - 8
Cummins - 8.5
Hazlewood - 8
Lyon - 10

Handscomb - 1


Lyon would be an 8, not a 10. Channel 9 commentary over hype him too much.
If he were knocking over right handers with the ease he was knocking over lefties he'd be a 10

I'd give the bowling attack all 8's and the Marsh bros. both 8's


name the last finger spinner in Australia to get 20+ wickets
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Boycs » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:07 pm

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:31 pm

Verity wrote:
Katto wrote:
Lyon would be an 8, not a 10. Channel 9 commentary over hype him too much.
If he were knocking over right handers with the ease he was knocking over lefties he'd be a 10

I'd give the bowling attack all 8's and the Marsh bros. both 8's


name the last finger spinner in Australia to get 20+ wickets


Woops I missed Lyon's 10. He was moderate for a lot of the time. He will never run thru a side ala the great spinners but where he excels is his ability to chip in with vital wickets at vital times. He is also a livewire in the field. His run out and brilliant diving catch off his own bowling were both clutch moments in two tests. He gets a 7-5 from me.
My list:
Warner 7.5
Bancroft 4
Khawaja 7.5
Smith 9.5 (grassed a couple of catches)
SOS 8.5
Mitch 9
Paine 8 (7 bat/9 keeping)
Starc 8
Hazlewood 9
Cummins 9
Lyon 7.5

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Verity » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:57 am

Paine a 9 for keeping, he was so flat footed, 3 times the ball went in between keeper and 1st slip and Paine was just standing there :lol:
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:36 am

Flat footed? .. count the number of byes he let thru. I recall only the Cookie catch off Hazlewood. We can allow him one mistake.. SOS should have pouched that in any case. Why are either of the Marshs in the slips?

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:48 am

Verity wrote:Paine a 9 for keeping, he was so flat footed, 3 times the ball went in between keeper and 1st slip and Paine was just standing there :lol:


some of the first slippers had no idea where to stand. ie anyone other than Smith in this Australian team is a poor slipper.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Verity » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:40 pm

Katto wrote:
Verity wrote:Paine a 9 for keeping, he was so flat footed, 3 times the ball went in between keeper and 1st slip and Paine was just standing there :lol:


some of the first slippers had no idea where to stand. ie anyone other than Smith in this Australian team is a poor slipper.


2 of them were definite Paines catches, even a few down leg side he could have went for but just stood there. Even Healy criticised him for being slow to react and flat footed.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:57 pm

Healy cant talk. Plenty of times he too let catches fly between keeper and first slip. Betting Paines record would be superior to Healy had they played similar Tests.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:04 am

Withdrawal symptoms are already setting in. Have to wait another two months for next real cricket. Why does Nine not replay like Fox Sports?

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Loose halo » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:15 am

For those without PTV it's even worse.No wonder Cricket is one of the lesser sports.

Those who can't afford PTV will be watching tennis.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Katto » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:51 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Withdrawal symptoms are already setting in. Have to wait another two months for next real cricket. Why does Nine not replay like Fox Sports?

you get what you pay for

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Paddles » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 am

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Withdrawal symptoms are already setting in. Have to wait another two months for next real cricket. Why does Nine not replay like Fox Sports?

you get what you pay for


Not in NZ. Our expensive Pay TV has none of the cricket action from Safrica being broadcasted this summer and shows all BBL and stuff all of our own domestic t20.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Boycs » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:49 am

We seem to be chatting still here so I won't archive it yet.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby bolero » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 am

Boycs wrote:We seem to be chatting still here so I won't archive it yet.


Yeah, lets not do it right now. Discussion will continue for a few days or weeks.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby raja » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:41 pm

Yes, let's not archive this yet.
I'd like to live this Ashes for a while longer.

3-1.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:53 am

Now the dust has settled on the Ashes where to for England? The Poms are licking their wounds and the selectors have cut three from the Ashes squad for the NZ tour with Curran, Ball and Ballance all gone .. did Ballance even play a warm up let alone a Test? Bit harsh on Ball too as he looked ok in his only match. Curran needs to add another 5-8 kph to his bowling to be a threat. Surprised they have stuck with Stoneman.. Vince not as he has potential but should bat further down in my view. He does need to learn to leave good balls as Hazlewood gave him nitemares. Crane can count himself lucky but experience at this level can do him no harm.
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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby raja » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:26 am

Crane will be a future star.
At least I'd like him to be. :-)

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby Boycs » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:12 am

Do be quiet raja :P

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:38 am

Loose halo wrote:For those without PTV it's even worse.No wonder Cricket is one of the lesser sports.

Those who can't afford PTV will be watching tennis.
Also Loose halo why do Nine not cover our overseas tours. Whatever happend to the anti-syphon policy of always showing cricket on FTA. Nine obviously does not consider overseas cricket played by our Baggy Greens as worthy cricket. Just refresh my memory did Nine cover the last England Ashes?

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby raja » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:32 am

Boycs wrote:Do be quiet raja :P

:grin:
I like leg-break bowlers.
At one time Devendra Bishoo was my favourite bowler. :grin:

There's something special about watching a classical leg-break.
I could watch Warne for hours.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:00 am

raja wrote:
Boycs wrote:Do be quiet raja :P

:grin:
I like leg-break bowlers.
At one time Devendra Bishoo was my favourite bowler. :grin:

There's something special about watching a classical leg-break.
I could watch Warne for hours.
I like leg-break bowlers. So do I raja. It is a hard art to master and very few do. Bill O'Reilly and Shane Warne would have to be the two best Australia produced. Of the current crop of leggies I rate Mitchell Swepson and a bloke we hear little about James Muirhead. There are a couple coming out of the sub continent that are causing a stir I hear.

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Re: The Ashes (Australia vs England) 5th Test: Jan 4-8, 2018 at Sydney

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:29 pm

The first point of reference in the protection of Test cricket is the protection of first-class cricket. If the states and counties are treated with indifference, so their attitude to the international calendar will become indifferent. It should be a requirement of every tour that a minimum of three - and ideally more - first-class matches are played by the tourists against full-strength teams, thus encouraging local interest and offering young players the chance to shine against the best out there. Many a career was once made by a sparkling hundred or a dramatic five-fer against the tourists. I have been advocating this for years.