South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Who would you want to see win?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:28 pm

bolero wrote:Dhawan drops a sitter as SA setting the pace.

That catch belongs to vk, SD should not try to hold catch, Bhuvis missed five fer

India gave too much runs for last two wickets (88)

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:46 pm

Easy to bats on, as the game progress,according to Johnty Rhodes.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Boycs » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:52 pm

250/7 now. I suspect Johnty is right,

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:00 pm

SA have already reached a match winning total on this pitch.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Boycs » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:08 pm

I am keen to see some Indian batting tonight. CricInfo says still 27 overs of play needed today so if SA get out shortly we might have time for a few overs. Would work to SA advantage - maybe they'll even declare if the tail are scoring too slowly to make it worth missing out on an early pop at India?

The 8th wicket has just fallen by a run out.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:31 pm

Rabada Steyn batting like champions

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:32 pm

Vijay Caught Elgar b.phillander 1
India 16 for 1

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:33 pm

bolero wrote:Rabada Steyn batting like champions

Batting is more easy now but nightmare for Vijay

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:34 pm

New batsman pujara

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:39 pm

South Africa on fire.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:41 pm

18 for 2 brain wash
Congratulation DS 418 wickets in 86 test only, beating Herbhajan Singh.(417)

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:42 pm

No wonder why SMG wants 3 opener here.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Going South » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:01 pm

sad to see dhawan in test cricket

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Boycs » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:08 pm

Where is Rahul, incidentally?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:20 pm

Boycs wrote:Where is Rahul, incidentally?

Who is Rahul?
This is test match in other than India, we not even have vice captain name Rahane.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:24 pm

Pujara / Rohit Not out batsman, we will loose one more tomorrow in first 60 minutes or so
Than next

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:35 pm

bolero wrote:SA have already reached a match winning total on this pitch.

I told you first Test is our practice match, BCCI should not Arranges t20 vs SL in India.
India must need two,two day warm up before first test,it’s happen first time in 97 years
Team play test without warm up,

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Boycs » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:40 pm

Yorkshire wrote:
Boycs wrote:Where is Rahul, incidentally?

Who is Rahul?
This is test match in other than India, we not even have vice captain name Rahane.


K L Rahul? Test opener with a 44 average

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:59 pm

Going South wrote:sad to see dhawan in test cricket

G smith (sOA) and Laxman ( ind) rates Him high class player plus in good nick

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:03 pm

Boycs wrote:I am keen to see some Indian batting tonight. CricInfo says still 27 overs of play needed today so if SA get out shortly we might have time for a few overs. Would work to SA advantage - maybe they'll even declare if the tail are scoring too slowly to make it worth missing out on an early pop at India?

The 8th wicket has just fallen by a run out.

No team declares on day one of 5 Day Test, (Bavuma not selected ) India took their first five batsman for 142 but home team add yet another 144 for last 5 which is tragedy of Indian bowling in overseas test match

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:20 am

Haven't been watching the game, but from what I've read, all 3 BCCI dismissals have been due to poor shot selection?
That's terrible batting for a side that knows it is up against Steyn, Morkel, Rabada and Philander - an attack that can produce an unplayable delivery any moment.
And you throw your wicket away?

Poor!

Also, well done, SA - from 12/3 to get to 286 is a good effort.
Not a match-winning one (I do rate this BCCI side), but at least SA is not out of the game yet.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:26 am

Boycs wrote:Where is Rahul, incidentally?


He has been dropped alongwith Rahane.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:29 am

Dhawan has been picked mainly because he's a left-hander and has that batting X factor.
Can get a 100 in even time and suddenly put the bowlers on the back foot.
Sort of today's Sehwag.
The main problem with this sort of batsman (Warner is one too!) is that they drive you up the wall with their failures.
Also, I think Sehwag was far more consistent than Dhawan is.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:30 am

raja wrote:Dhawan has been picked mainly because he's a left-hander and has that batting X factor.
Can get a 100 in even time and suddenly put the bowlers on the back foot.
Sort of today's Sehwag.
The main problem with this sort of batsman (Warner is one too!) is that they drive you up the wall with their failures.
Also, I think Sehwag was far more consistent than Dhawan is.


I agree with the above.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:33 am

As a Rahul fan, I'm disappointed he's missed out - but I see the logic of picking Dhawan.
I don't mind seeing Rahul-Dhawan open, with Vijay sitting out.
But no doubt Vijay has the best Test match temperament of the three.

As for Rahane missing out, a bit harsh probably, given his past record in SA but then he's been in such terrible form - and Rohit's been in such great form (albeit in home conditions), that I think Rohit getting the nod is understandable.

If I'd been in the selectors' position, I'd have gone with Rohit too.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:34 am

I have said this before, forum members know this.India should have never played the SL series rather got used to SA by getting used to similar conditions.Practice in high altitude Dharamsala or go to SA 3 weeks in advance.

In SA, ball comes shoulder height while in India it is knee height. Most Indian batsmen donot play the bounce well.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:39 am

What Dhawan needs to realise is that, given his style of batting, the team needs a big hundred from him.
Not a 105-110, because that would mean the team hardly has 175 on the board.
I enjoyed Sehwag's double and triple hundreds mainly because they helped BCCI post big scores.
A Sehwag 100-100 didn't satisfy me one bit, from a team cause point of view.
Of course it also depends on how well the rest of the team build on the initial blitz but often the bowlers came right back after Sehwag was dismissed. Can never forget that glorious 195 at the MCG - and how BCCI crashed after that.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:40 am

bolero wrote:I have said this before, forum members know this.India should have never played the SL series rather got used to SA by getting used to similar conditions.Practice in high altitude Dharamsala or go to SA 3 weeks in advance.

In SA, ball comes shoulder height while in India it is knee height. Most Indian batsmen donot play the bounce well.

True. Should have had intensive practice in simulated SA conditions.
The SL series ate into valuable practice time.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:28 am

raja wrote:What Dhawan needs to realise is that, given his style of batting, the team needs a big hundred from him.
Not a 105-110, because that would mean the team hardly has 175 on the board.
I enjoyed Sehwag's double and triple hundreds mainly because they helped BCCI post big scores.
A Sehwag 100-100 didn't satisfy me one bit, from a team cause point of view.
Of course it also depends on how well the rest of the team build on the initial blitz but often the bowlers came right back after Sehwag was dismissed. Can never forget that glorious 195 at the MCG - and how BCCI crashed after that.


Agree.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:30 am

Worst part was Dhawan dropped a sitter of Maharaj off Bhuvaneshwar's bowling in slips . He went on to make a decent contribution of 35.

That is the difference between 250 and 286.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby finger_power » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:57 am

What a terrible selection by Kohli and Shastri. Its a self inflicted wound. Just to accomodate Rohit Sharma, Kohli had done things like dropping Pujara in Australia, dropping Pujara and Vijay in Sri Lanka, making Pujara open, dropping him again in WI because he was “slow”. I dont know what he finds so special in Rohit. I get he is exceptional in ODIs, but so were Yuvraj, Watson, Raina, etc. when will he get through his thick head that test and ODI are completely different ball games?

But this time he went even further, and dropped one of the best young batsmen in the world - KL Rahul for a walking wicket like Dhawan. Also selected Bumrah, who is not used to bowling more than 10 overs, and bowls ODI lengths, and Pandya, who has very mediocre first class record, at the expense of blokes who did all the hard work- Ishant and Umesh Yadav.

It was the likes of Rahul (making 5 fifties in Australia series), Rahane (remember his partnerships with Pujara vs Australia when India was all but out of series), long spells by Ishant and Umesh, is what got them to number 1 ranking. They should not be dropped based on performance vs SL ar home, where anyone can make baby runs. Look who made tough runs, and got tough wickets. It was Pujara, Rahul, Rahane who helped India win from 0-1 deficit vs Aussies, and contributed in series vs Eng, RSA at home too.

Kohli’s arrogance and flawed aggression is going to cost India another series in South Africa. What hurts more that it is a self inflicted wound that could have been avoided if there was a sensible think tank.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:58 am

Nice to have you back, FP. Hope all's well with you.

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Postby Boycs » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:39 am

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:32 am

finger_power wrote:What a terrible selection by Kohli and Shastri. Its a self inflicted wound. Just to accomodate Rohit Sharma, Kohli had done things like dropping Pujara in Australia, dropping Pujara and Vijay in Sri Lanka, making Pujara open, dropping him again in WI because he was “slow”. I dont know what he finds so special in Rohit. I get he is exceptional in ODIs, but so were Yuvraj, Watson, Raina, etc. when will he get through his thick head that test and ODI are completely different ball games?

But this time he went even further, and dropped one of the best young batsmen in the world - KL Rahul for a walking wicket like Dhawan. Also selected Bumrah, who is not used to bowling more than 10 overs, and bowls ODI lengths, and Pandya, who has very mediocre first class record, at the expense of blokes who did all the hard work- Ishant and Umesh Yadav.

It was the likes of Rahul (making 5 fifties in Australia series), Rahane (remember his partnerships with Pujara vs Australia when India was all but out of series), long spells by Ishant and Umesh, is what got them to number 1 ranking. They should not be dropped based on performance vs SL ar home, where anyone can make baby runs. Look who made tough runs, and got tough wickets. It was Pujara, Rahul, Rahane who helped India win from 0-1 deficit vs Aussies, and contributed in series vs Eng, RSA at home too.

Kohli’s arrogance and flawed aggression is going to cost India another series in South Africa. What hurts more that it is a self inflicted wound that could have been avoided if there was a sensible think tank.


The problem is Shastri is a 'yes' man. Kumble will not take nonsense from Kohli.

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Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:11 am

Will summarise day 1 in a few points:-

1. Bhuvaneshwar struck early and SA were 12/3. In the words of the SA coach, he was prepared to take the Uber and go home at that stage.
2. Then ABDV and Faf counterattack, Bhuvaneshwar was taken for 4 fours in an over, pressure was released from other end as Shami struggled with the rhythm. Backup bowler Bumrah was taken for many and struggled with his one day length. There was a testing period when Shami and Bumrah and kept beating the bat but yet there was no edge. To top it, there were one or two boundary balls every over. Pandya was impressive in part, but he too gave one boundary ball an over.
3. From 142 / 5 , the SA tail was resilient and added many. De Kock again counterattacked, Maharaj was dropped and the game changed. Rabada and Maharaj added valuable runs.
4. 286 on this pitch was one too many runs. As such the SA attack is one notch nigher than the Indian attack.
5. Then India come in and Vijay and Dhawan play atrocious shots to get out. Instead of sending a nightwatchman, in comes Kohli and gets out in the familiar way he was getting out in England. Now India is struggling to avoid the follow on.

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Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:37 am

Lol at Bumrah playing tests. How's that yorker going for him now?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:18 am

Is this the best pace attack in the world ?

Steyn
Philander
Morkel
Rabada

Better than the Aussies ?

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:24 am

bolero wrote:Is this the best pace attack in the world ?

Steyn
Philander
Morkel
Rabada

Better than the Aussies ?


Well all 4 are better than M Marsh.

The question for me is 4 great seamers plus their best spinner a better balance than 4 bowlers and an allrounder or batsman?

With Maharaj SA seem bowler heavy - is this better than an allrounder or bat like M Marsh or Handscombe/Maxwell/Head?
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:25 am

Good question. No easy answer.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:28 am

bolero wrote:Good question. No easy answer.


Well if quotas didn't favour Bavuma or Phelukwayo - I suspect SA selectors would have an easier answer.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:34 am

This quota system is every country's headache. Happens in India too. Selectors are chosen from the zones and they chose their zone's player. Never mind, he may not be the best to represent the country. It used to happen a lot in the past, a little less now.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:44 am

bolero wrote:This quota system is every country's headache. Happens in India too. Selectors are chosen from the zones and they chose their zone's player. Never mind, he may not be the best to represent the country. It used to happen a lot in the past, a little less now.


Nice way to conflate parochial regional bias (in every country you argue) of selectors with a set racial quota.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:45 am

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:This quota system is every country's headache. Happens in India too. Selectors are chosen from the zones and they chose their zone's player. Never mind, he may not be the best to represent the country. It used to happen a lot in the past, a little less now.


Nice way to conflate parochial bias with a quota.

Top stuff.


Yes, that's true.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:52 am

Pujara about to bring up his 20.
Law 31.6 - benefit of the doubt for an dismissal appeal goes to the batsman
A third umpire call for a run out or stumping is a referral, not a review.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Going South » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:31 am

i doubt even 100 be made by FTBs

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:20 am

Going South wrote:i doubt even 100 be made by FTBs


Managed to avoid their lowest score in SA, 66 in 1996 at Durban.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby afghankhan » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:35 am

Hi all

Somebody tell Pandya this is not an IPL match.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:41 am

India avoid the follow on with 4 wickets in hand.

Now to chase down the defecit and get a handy first innings lead.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:48 am

India avoid another low, 100 V/s South Africa in 1996 at Durban.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:21 pm

Pandya with an immensely valuable innings here.
Law 31.6 - benefit of the doubt for an dismissal appeal goes to the batsman
A third umpire call for a run out or stumping is a referral, not a review.