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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:18 am
by Paddles
Congrats Straya.

The pink test survives another year at least.

This is my fav Aus test of the year since 2015.

I hope it remains, and we see more pinkies globally.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:18 am
by Katto
2-0 folks

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:21 am
by bolero
2-0. Congrats Aussies.

Hazlewood is an ideal no 3 bowler. Batsmen tend to underestimate him once they play out Starc and Cummins. He has this ability to pick up crucial wickets against the run of play.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:24 am
by raja
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Haven't slept well for 2 nights, thanks to Smith's decision not to enforce the follow-on. Just SO relieved!

:dance: :macarena: :yoohoo: :band: :crazydance: :banana: :monkey: :nanaparty: :balle:

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:26 am
by MikeR68
My player rankings for this test would be
Bancroft 2/10 (14 runs)
Warner 5/10 (61 runs)
Khawaja 6/10 (73 runs)
Smith 5/10 (46 runs and some strange captaincy decisions)
Handscomb 5/10 (48 runs)
S Marsh 10/10 (145 runs)
T Paine 8/10 (68 runs and neat behind the stumps)
Starc 10/10 ( 8/135 and 26 runs)
Cummins 7/10 (55 runs and 3/86)
Lyon 8/10 (6/104)
Hazlewood 5/10 (3/105)

Average 6.5/10

For England
Cook 5/10 (53 runs)
Stoneman 5/10 (54 runs)
Vince 2/10 (17 runs)
Root 6/10 (76 runs)
Malan 5/10 (48 runs)
Ali 3/10 (27 runs)
Bairstow 7/10 (57 runs and neat behind the stumps)
Anderson 8/10 (6/118)
Broad 4/10 (2/98)
Woakes 8/10 (5/120 and 41 runs)
Overton 7/10 (4/116 and 48 runs)

Average 5.5/10

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:27 am
by Katto
I have no memory of a Brisbane D/N test either :lol:

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:28 am
by Paddles
Pleasing for England despite a thrashing in Straya on the cards is that Overton looks a solid test prospect.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:29 am
by Katto
raja wrote:Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Haven't slept well for 2 nights, thanks to Smith's decision not to enforce the follow-on. Just SO relieved!

:dance: :macarena: :yoohoo: :band: :crazydance: :banana: :monkey: :nanaparty: :balle:


you worked harder than anyone with your :rj:

MoM for Raja

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:30 am
by baggygreenmania
2-0 Baggies. Yeehahh. Well who would have pictured such a quix capitulation by the Poms given their position overnite and with their best batsman Root still in and looking good.
Hats off to Hazlewood for starting the rot and Starc for polishing off the tail that he does so well. :hatsoff:

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 am
by baggygreenmania
He may not be showing if but Smith would be a relieved man.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:33 am
by Paddles
I just want to give some credit to the South Australia Cricket Assoc.

These rennovations make for a very pretty stadium for cricket. Much prettier than the MCG and more comfortable for the fans I am lead to believe with overhead fans (and it kept a grass bank!).

But to create an institution of the day/night test is brilliant when Melbourne and Sydney stole the Christmas and New Year holidays.

And while the BBL isn't for everyone looking for a good time, nor is Adelaide for that matter, they are trying to make an institution of a Dec 31 BBL home game. Take that Melbourne and Sydney inbetween tests!

Well done South Australia. Better red wine apparently than the rest of Aus too.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:38 am
by Katto
Paddles wrote:I just want to give some credit to the South Australia Cricket Assoc.

These rennovations make for a very pretty stadium for cricket. Much prettier than the MCG and more comfortable for the fans I am lead to believe with overhead fans (and it kept a grass bank!).

But to create an institution of the day/night test is brilliant when Melbourne and Sydney stole the Christmas and New Year holidays.

And while the BBL isn't for everyone looking for a good time, nor is Adelaide for that matter, they are trying to make an institution of a Dec 31 BBL home game.

Well done South Australia. Better red wine apparently than the rest of Aus too.


SACA had very little to do with it. The major renovation was done by the AFL in conjunction with the state government.
Thank the taxpayer - ie me. You can thank me. :)

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:39 am
by baggygreenmania
bolero wrote:2-0. Congrats Aussies.

Hazlewood is an ideal no 3 bowler. Batsmen tend to underestimate him once they play out Starc and Cummins. He has this ability to pick up crucial wickets against the run of play.
Hazlewood opens the bowling Bolero or are you saying you would prefer he bowled at 3? I get grumpy with him when he tries to swing the ball and loses his accuracy. Also when he tries to bowl too fast. He needs to get back to doing what has worked so well for him.. putting 6 balls in the same spot and building pressure.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:41 am
by Paddles
Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:I just want to give some credit to the South Australia Cricket Assoc.

These rennovations make for a very pretty stadium for cricket. Much prettier than the MCG and more comfortable for the fans I am lead to believe with overhead fans (and it kept a grass bank!).

But to create an institution of the day/night test is brilliant when Melbourne and Sydney stole the Christmas and New Year holidays.

And while the BBL isn't for everyone looking for a good time, nor is Adelaide for that matter, they are trying to make an institution of a Dec 31 BBL home game.

Well done South Australia. Better red wine apparently than the rest of Aus too.


SACA had very little to do with it. The major renovation was done by the AFL in conjunction with the state government.
Thank the taxpayer - ie me. You can thank me. :)



That's just the ground - which is pretty and helps. I find the MCG and Gabba to be not pleasing on eye at all. And as a stats man and ground fan - I of course like the antique scoreboard.

But the institution of a pinkie test and Dec 31 are further congratulations.

In fact - after Qld made Suncorp (Lang Park) one of the best rugby/rugby league (and soccer) grounds in the world, I'm surprised the Gabba is still so awful after rennovations (besides the pool - which is great!)

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:49 am
by Loose halo
Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
SACA had very little to do with it. The major renovation was done by the AFL in conjunction with the state government.
Thank the taxpayer - ie me. You can thank me. :)



That's just the ground - which is pretty and helps. I find the MCG and Gabba to be not pleasing on eye at all.

But the institution of a pinkie test and Dec 31 are further congratulations.

In fact - after Qld made Suncorp (Lang Park) one of the best rugby/rugby league (and soccer) grounds in the world, I'm surprised the Gabba is still so awful after rennovations (besides the pool - which is great!)


Nothing wrong with either ground IMO.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:53 am
by Paddles
Loose halo wrote:
Paddles wrote:

That's just the ground - which is pretty and helps. I find the MCG and Gabba to be not pleasing on eye at all.

But the institution of a pinkie test and Dec 31 are further congratulations.

In fact - after Qld made Suncorp (Lang Park) one of the best rugby/rugby league (and soccer) grounds in the world, I'm surprised the Gabba is still so awful after rennovations (besides the pool - which is great!)


Nothing wrong with either ground IMO.


The MCG is so ugly it looks something China would build while comming in under budget just to get a capacity record and the Gabba looks like someone threw up over all the seats and forgot to incorporate any aesthetic beauty or keep/create/emphasise a single landmark be it the view, a stand, a scoreboard or just anything remarkably pretty.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:53 am
by Katto
The Gabba just needs new seats with a more pleasing colour.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:54 am
by Katto
I agree with Piddles about the MCG. Typical bogan architecture.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:01 am
by Paddles
Katto wrote:The Gabba just needs new seats with a more pleasing colour.


Agreed on the seats, but even if it did that, name a distinctive and pretty feature or landmark about the ground. The pool doesn't count - unless made much bigger.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:04 am
by Katto
Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:The Gabba just needs new seats with a more pleasing colour.


Agreed on the seats, but even if it did that, name a distinctive and pretty feature or landmark about the ground. The pool doesn't count - unless made much bigger.


how about a new roof that doesn't fall apart whenever there's a bit of rain and wind.

The new Perth stadium by the way is probably the best stadium of any kind in Australia.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:06 am
by Paddles
Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Agreed on the seats, but even if it did that, name a distinctive and pretty feature or landmark about the ground. The pool doesn't count - unless made much bigger.


how about a new roof that doesn't fall apart whenever there's a bit of rain and wind.

The new Perth stadium by the way is probably the best stadium of any kind in Australia.


I look forward to seeing the new Perth stadium.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:21 am
by Boycs
Wake up to see that normal service has resumed

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:32 am
by Paddles
Boycs wrote:Wake up to see that normal service has resumed


You'll get 'em back in 2019 in Jimmy's farewell series.

He'll make the duke ball behave like a yoyo in England.

Given Aus's last Ashes win in England was 2001- by 2019 there will be a generation of fans who didn't suffer live Aus dominance in England.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:37 am
by Boycs
Hmm.... would I give that up in exchange for a cricket world where teams were capable of occasionally winning away from home?

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:48 am
by Katto
Boycs wrote:Hmm.... would I give that up in exchange for a cricket world where teams were capable of occasionally winning away from home?


we're practically all in the same boat here

only South Africa and Australia exchange away wins

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:53 am
by raja
Ok, at the start of the series, we were looking at England winning this 5-0, considering what a pathetic batting line-up Australia has right now.

It can now, at best, be 3-2 for England.

And that's probably what it will be. They'll emulate Bradman's achievement in 1936-37 of coming from 0-2 behind to win 3-2.

Anyway, right now, let me just revel in what happened today. Honestly, I was expecting England to get the remaining 177 to win. They'd got to 176/4 quite comfortably.

Credit to Hazelwood & Starc today. Getting Root early must've been a big boost for the Aussies.

One other thing - am scared to say it, cos I'm sure I'll jinx it, but I'm going to risk it.

Am very pleasantly surprised that the much-ridiculed Shaun Marsh has come good in this series. Australia's batting is its weakness - and you can't expect Smith to come good every time. Marsh stepping up is the best thing to have happened to Australia this series so far.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:57 am
by Katto
most impressive thing about Marsh is how still his head is and how organised he is at the crease
the antithesis of Peter Handscomb

England weren't far away in this test. Their seam bowling line up is still excellent although they have a weakness in the spin department.
The batting is similar to Australia, a bit hit and miss. the line up that is. Some of the individuals are excellent.
Lyon is probably the difference between these two teams. That will be nullified in Perth and possibly Melbourne too.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:03 am
by raja
Katto wrote:
raja wrote:Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Haven't slept well for 2 nights, thanks to Smith's decision not to enforce the follow-on. Just SO relieved!

:dance: :macarena: :yoohoo: :band: :crazydance: :banana: :monkey: :nanaparty: :balle:


you worked harder than anyone with your :rj:

MoM for Raja


:bow:

It was a lot of hard work this time. It always is, in an Ashes game, but Smith made it much harder with his decision.

I hope he's not feeling vindicated - somebody pls tell him it remains a stupid decision. :-)

For all you know, come a similar situation again, he might do the same thing.

Best is for him to read this thread here, and not listen to Aussie media. :grin:

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:06 am
by Katto
raja wrote:
Katto wrote:
you worked harder than anyone with your :rj:

MoM for Raja


:bow:

It was a lot of hard work this time. It always is, in an Ashes game, but Smith made it much harder with his decision.

I hope he's not feeling vindicated - somebody pls tell him it remains a stupid decision. :-)

For all you know, come a similar situation again, he might do the same thing.

Best is for him to read this thread here, and not listen to Aussie media. :grin:


I doubt Smith was even born in 1981, but the endless replays and reminders we get for that overrated Botham performance probably haunts most Australian captains.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:27 am
by bolero
Even though Australia won, I maintain Smith is not a good captain.

He appears frazzled / dazed at times. That follow up decision could have backfired.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:35 am
by Katto
I'll take the other side here... I couldn't fault Smith's bowling changes and there were no glaring issues with the field placements.
Joe Root on the other hand probably made more mistakes than Smith.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:46 am
by Katto
"I had to have a sleeping pill last night. It has been a pretty tough 24 hours if I'm being honest," Smith said in the post-match press conference in Adelaide.

"It's all part of being captain of your country. You have to make difficult decisions and sometimes you're going to make the wrong decision.

"It's all part of the learning experience and hopefully I can learn something from this game.


Smith was ultimately vindicated for his big day three call. Pic: Getty
"I'll think back and reflect I guess over the next day or so and think what I could've perhaps done differently, what I could've done better and just areas that I can continue to improve in my leadership and captaincy as well."


geesh
I wonder who else had sleeping pills...maybe Bancroft and Khawaja?

thankfully Hazlewood and Starc were on their game today

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:07 am
by Paddles
Katto wrote:
"I had to have a sleeping pill last night. It has been a pretty tough 24 hours if I'm being honest," Smith said in the post-match press conference in Adelaide.

"It's all part of being captain of your country. You have to make difficult decisions and sometimes you're going to make the wrong decision.

"It's all part of the learning experience and hopefully I can learn something from this game.


Smith was ultimately vindicated for his big day three call. Pic: Getty
"I'll think back and reflect I guess over the next day or so and think what I could've perhaps done differently, what I could've done better and just areas that I can continue to improve in my leadership and captaincy as well."


geesh
I wonder who else had sleeping pills...maybe Bancroft and Khawaja?

thankfully Hazlewood and Starc were on their game today


Did he have a lot of red bull as well? Aussie sportsmen are always mixing sleeping tablets with red bull and caffeine drinks.

"Ain't nuthin like an Ozzie Stilnox party."

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:21 am
by Leo
Congratulations Australia.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:41 am
by Boycs
Grumble

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:45 am
by raja
Katto wrote:
"I'll think back and reflect I guess over the next day or so and think what I could've perhaps done differently, what I could've done better and just areas that I can continue to improve in my leadership and captaincy as well."



The most important thing that needs to be drilled into Smith's head is "Never give a sucker an even break".
This England side will come back hard at you if you give them an inch - so don't.
You don't need to be with Ruth all the time - be ruthless.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:55 am
by Katto
raja wrote:
Katto wrote:


The most important thing that needs to be drilled into Smith's head is "Never give a sucker an even break".
This England side will come back hard at you if you give them an inch - so don't.
You don't need to be with Ruth all the time - be ruthless.


I said that at least twice since Smith made that decision. All accounts I've seen from him he appears to have regretted it.
It wasn't simply a numbers game either here, he had to take the prevailing conditions into account and the timing of when an England innings would've commenced.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:02 am
by raja
True.

If he just gets this message, I think he will be a better captain.
His team-mates fully back him, right?

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:07 am
by Katto
raja wrote:True.

If he just gets this message, I think he will be a better captain.
His team-mates fully back him, right?


I'd be surprised if they fully backed him all the time. Fast bowlers often think they'd make better captains.
Its nothing new to Australian cricket.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:09 pm
by baggygreenmania
The most important thing that needs to be drilled into Smith's head is "Never give a sucker an even break".
This England side will come back hard at you if you give them an inch - so don't.
You don't need to be with Ruth all the time - be ruthless.
Oh how very true. Some media are saying that Smith's no enforce of follow on has been vindicated as we won. Not sure I agree with that as had we sent them back in this match could have been over by the end of the fourth day.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:15 pm
by baggygreenmania
Boycs wrote:Grumble
Was a topsy turvy kinda time for you and the other English boys Boycs. Have you changed your mind about the 5-0 whitewash. What was your view on Smiths no enforce of follow on when we had your blokes on the canvas?

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:13 am
by Boycs
Good debut for Overton though. Secured his spot for the next Test hasn't he? Probably in all the circus of the declaration, shambolic England collapse after such promising opening salvos, excetera excetera, he's been lost amidst the media scree.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:36 am
by Loose halo
Hate to state the obvious but Australia's bowling attack is formidable. It has taken years to get it right let's just hope and pray there are no more injuries.

David Saker did it for England and now is doing it for his home country.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:10 am
by Katto
Loose halo wrote:Hate to state the obvious but Australia's bowling attack is formidable. It has taken years to get it right let's just hope and pray there are no more injuries.

David Saker did it for England and now is doing it for his home country.


We had a similar attack in the last Ashes series but were still out-bowled in the pivotal third test. There's a lot to be said for knowing local conditions.
Lengths seem to be the margins that touring teams struggle most with.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:28 pm
by Boycs
It seems so obvious though doesn’t it? Pitch it UP.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:40 pm
by Katto
Boycs wrote:It seems so obvious though doesn’t it? Pitch it UP.


it does, but "UP" can still mean different lengths in different countries. Spinners face the same issue.

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:13 pm
by Boycs
Hmmm. Though that's no doubt true to a degree there must be a point where short pitch bowling is obviously too short and I can't help but think that we reached that point many times with the England bowlers thus far.

Is it endemic to English bowlers? Or just to bowlers for teams I support in general :(

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:44 pm
by Loose halo
Katto wrote:
Loose halo wrote:Hate to state the obvious but Australia's bowling attack is formidable. It has taken years to get it right let's just hope and pray there are no more injuries.

David Saker did it for England and now is doing it for his home country.


We had a similar attack in the last Ashes series but were still out-bowled in the pivotal third test. There's a lot to be said for knowing local conditions.
Lengths seem to be the margins that touring teams struggle most with.


Yes but who was our bowling coach then?

paste


Coaching



On 8 April 2010, Saker was appointed as the fast bowling coach of the England cricket team, replacing the departing Ottis Gibson.[1] After Saker's key role in the team winning the 2010–11 Ashes series, he was handed a new three-year contract.[2]

Saker left the English job in early 2015, and was appointed head coach of the Melbourne Renegades in the Big Bash League.[3] Two months later, he was also appointed coach of the Victoria Bushrangers in first class and one day cricket.[4] He led Victoria to the Sheffield Shield in his only season with the state, and was then appointed fast-bowling coach for the Australian national cricket team in July 2016.[5]

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:12 am
by Katto
Loose halo wrote:
Katto wrote:
We had a similar attack in the last Ashes series but were still out-bowled in the pivotal third test. There's a lot to be said for knowing local conditions.
Lengths seem to be the margins that touring teams struggle most with.


Yes but who was our bowling coach then?

paste


Coaching



On 8 April 2010, Saker was appointed as the fast bowling coach of the England cricket team, replacing the departing Ottis Gibson.[1] After Saker's key role in the team winning the 2010–11 Ashes series, he was handed a new three-year contract.[2]

Saker left the English job in early 2015, and was appointed head coach of the Melbourne Renegades in the Big Bash League.[3] Two months later, he was also appointed coach of the Victoria Bushrangers in first class and one day cricket.[4] He led Victoria to the Sheffield Shield in his only season with the state, and was then appointed fast-bowling coach for the Australian national cricket team in July 2016.[5]


I vaguely recall the poms blaming him for losing in 2013-14. :lol:

Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:43 am
by Boycs
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... s-problems

That's a key factor in why we are losing.