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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:20 am

I picked Stoneman in my IIHAG for this kind of performance.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:23 am

Katto wrote:This NZ umpire seems to have an agenda.
Gives Australian batsmen out when they're not out, gives English batsmen not out when they're out.
A trend is certainly emerging.


Aus NZ rivalry is so much I remember my relatives in NZ telling me New Zealanders were delighted when Tendulkar launched a frontal assault on Aussie bowlers in 1998 desert storm Sharjah qualifiers and finals.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:24 am

Cook gone but he’s done his job absorbing the new ball. I hope

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:30 am

bolero wrote:
Katto wrote:This NZ umpire seems to have an agenda.
Gives Australian batsmen out when they're not out, gives English batsmen not out when they're out.
A trend is certainly emerging.


Aus NZ rivalry is so much I remember my relatives in NZ telling me New Zealanders were delighted when Tendulkar launched a frontal assault on Aussie bowlers in 1998 desert storm Sharjah qualifiers and finals.


Its more on their side than ours. Australians usually support NZers against other opposition in other sports. With NZ its anyone but Australia.
Inferiority complex.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:31 am

Good bowling change by Smith.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:32 am

Boycs wrote:Cook gone but he’s done his job absorbing the new ball. I hope


Are you watching on time delay? I've got some bad news for you. :mrgreen:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:44 am

DRS has ruined umpiring, no way was there so many mistskes pre DRS
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:45 am

Verity wrote:DRS has ruined umpiring, no way was there so many mistskes pre DRS


of course not. There was no technology to prove them :lol:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:47 am

Katto wrote:
Verity wrote:DRS has ruined umpiring, no way was there so many mistskes pre DRS


of course not. There was no technology to prove them :lol:


there've had ball tracker for 15+ years.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:01 am

bolero wrote:
Katto wrote:This NZ umpire seems to have an agenda.
Gives Australian batsmen out when they're not out, gives English batsmen not out when they're out.
A trend is certainly emerging.


Aus NZ rivalry is so much I remember my relatives in NZ telling me New Zealanders were delighted when Tendulkar launched a frontal assault on Aussie bowlers in 1998 desert storm Sharjah qualifiers and finals.


I very much doubt many NZ'ers would watch a cricket game between Ind and Aus in Sharjah in 1998.

That said, I would have enjoyed it myself.

Aus used to refuse to play NZ in cricket cos NZ wasn't good enough. But this was remedied in the 70's. We're disappointed to have lost Clarrie Grimmett, but England has taken talent far more recently. Cricket in NZ is not that significant. The government cares more about sailing for supplying resources. Seriously. Auckland is known as the city of sails.

The Aus-NZ sporting rivalry exploded with underarm which happened to be cricket, and Gleneagles (ban of South Africa sports) but before that Safrica was a greater rival for NZ sports. England is a different relationship. It can at times be a bitter rival in rugby tho due to their media, and the ABs sting from losing a game to Eng more than SA or Aus but this is influenced by frequency and standings. There is also at times a North vs South divide in rugby. But Eng is loved as a supporter of NZ cricket - which isn't something said about Aus. And so are almost all Eng sports fans welcomed and welcomming, also something not said about Aus. Its more a sporting camaraderie between Eng and NZ than a bitter or dierce and intense rivalry.

NZ tore itself apart, riots n all, over a 1981 Safrican rugby tour vs apartheidt protestors.

There is a noticable generational change of a South Africa to Aus rivalry in sport within NZ's pop. Old being SA - young being NZ. For Zinzan Brooke, a famous AB - Safrica was still by far the greater rival but the greater rugby rival being SA or Aus now is more blurred.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:15 am

Well, England took Caddick and Stokes, but gave Twose in return.
So that's a pretty good bargain for NZ. :-)

That reminds me (for the conversation we were having about Somerset yesterday), Caddick played his entire county cricket for Somerset too, though Boycs might reject him on grounds of his place of birth. :-)

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:16 am

raja wrote:Well, England took Caddick and Stokes, but gave Twose in return.
So that's a pretty good bargain for NZ. :-)

That reminds me (for the conversation we were having about Somerset yesterday), Caddick played his entire county cricket for Somerset too, though Boycs might reject him on grounds of his place of birth. :-)


Yeah but they're stealing our South Africans too!
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:19 am

Who are these guys being stolen?
The only NZ player of SA origin I know is Grant Elliott.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:22 am

raja wrote:Who are these guys being stolen?
The only NZ player of SA origin I know is Grant Elliott.

Really?

Watling
Wagner
Munro
Phillips

are Safrican origin.

There's more at FC level.

de Grandhomme is Zimbawean.

England pinched the most talented Cachopa brother - but he turned to crap.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:25 am

Oh, I didn't know.
I don't check players' country of origin - just assume they are from the country they represent.
Unless there's a lot of noise about a player - as happened with Dolly or Allan Lamb or KP or Graeme Hick.

So half the NZ side wasn't even born in NZ?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:28 am

raja wrote:Oh, I didn't know.
I don't check players' country of origin - just assume they are from the country they represent.
Unless there's a lot of noise about a player - as happened with Dolly or Allan Lamb or KP or Graeme Hick.

So half the NZ side wasn't even born in NZ?


You won't see Watling and Phillips play together as both are keepers. CDG and Munro both on a test team is unlikely right now.

But in a test match in the future - CDG, Watling, Sodhi and Wagner is likely and gives 4 out of 11.

5 or 6 at any one time would be pushing it.

Maybe t20 -

Munro, CDG, Sodhi, Phillips.

So 4 at max at moment.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:30 am

Katto wrote:
bolero wrote:
Aus NZ rivalry is so much I remember my relatives in NZ telling me New Zealanders were delighted when Tendulkar launched a frontal assault on Aussie bowlers in 1998 desert storm Sharjah qualifiers and finals.


Its more on their side than ours. Australians usually support NZers against other opposition in other sports. With NZ its anyone but Australia.
Inferiority complex.


Ok, I have folks in Brisbane, Sydney.Not checked with them.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:31 am

Ok, quiz question (an easy one).
Name two players who played Test cricket for India but weren't born in India. (Being born in Pakistan/Bangladesh doesn't count).

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:32 am

Paddles wrote:
bolero wrote:
Aus NZ rivalry is so much I remember my relatives in NZ telling me New Zealanders were delighted when Tendulkar launched a frontal assault on Aussie bowlers in 1998 desert storm Sharjah qualifiers and finals.


I very much doubt many NZ'ers would watch a cricket game between Ind and Aus in Sharjah in 1998.

That said, I would have enjoyed it myself.

Aus used to refuse to play NZ in cricket cos NZ wasn't good enough. But this was remedied in the 70's. We're disappointed to have lost Clarrie Grimmett, but England has taken talent far more recently. Cricket in NZ is not that significant. The government cares more about sailing for supplying resources. Seriously. Auckland is known as the city of sails.

The Aus-NZ sporting rivalry exploded with underarm which happened to be cricket, and Gleneagles (ban of South Africa sports) but before that Safrica was a greater rival for NZ sports. England is a different relationship. It is a bitter rival in rugby tho due to their media. But loved as a supporter of NZ cricket - which isn't something said about Aus.

NZ tore itself apart, riots n all, over a 1981 Safrican rugby tour vs apartheidt protestors.

There is a noticable generational change of a South Africa to Aus rivalry in sport within NZ's pop. Old being SA - young being NZ.


I have folks in Wellington.He was mentioning about his friends at that time.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:40 am

bolero wrote:
Paddles wrote:
I very much doubt many NZ'ers would watch a cricket game between Ind and Aus in Sharjah in 1998.

That said, I would have enjoyed it myself.

Aus used to refuse to play NZ in cricket cos NZ wasn't good enough. But this was remedied in the 70's. We're disappointed to have lost Clarrie Grimmett, but England has taken talent far more recently. Cricket in NZ is not that significant. The government cares more about sailing for supplying resources. Seriously. Auckland is known as the city of sails.

The Aus-NZ sporting rivalry exploded with underarm which happened to be cricket, and Gleneagles (ban of South Africa sports) but before that Safrica was a greater rival for NZ sports. England is a different relationship. It is a bitter rival in rugby tho due to their media. But loved as a supporter of NZ cricket - which isn't something said about Aus.

NZ tore itself apart, riots n all, over a 1981 Safrican rugby tour vs apartheidt protestors.

There is a noticable generational change of a South Africa to Aus rivalry in sport within NZ's pop. Old being SA - young being NZ.


I have folks in Wellington.He was mentioning about his friends at that time.


Cricket, esp Intl cricket not involving NZ playing Aus or Eng isn't big here and we used to only get NZ home/away and Aus home games on pay tv. We now get Eng home and Ind home (plus SL tour for some reason) games.

We still dont get Pak, SA, SL, WI or Bangas. But we do get the CPL from WI.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:42 am

Can't bear to see this.

Ok, another quiz question (first one remains unanswered):

Name a Test cricketer who, one fine day, left his home and family at the age of 89. Apparently he didn't want to be a burden to his family.
His whereabouts thereafter were unknown.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:44 am

If only there was a way Australia could have reviewed that poor umpiring decision. Some system that would allow match officials to review and instruct the umpire to change his decision. That was pretty much what i was implying . Poor umpiring is being justified when it should be being judged.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:55 am

Eng 3/91 now. This looks over for Eng now.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:56 am

raja wrote:Can't bear to see this.

Ok, another quiz question (first one remains unanswered):

Name a Test cricketer who, one fine day, left his home and family at the age of 89. Apparently he didn't want to be a burden to his family.
His whereabouts thereafter were unknown.


probably a pom, they're always offing themselves

although Dudley Nourse had a tragic end didnt he?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:04 am

raja wrote:Can't bear to see this.

Ok, another quiz question (first one remains unanswered):

Name a Test cricketer who, one fine day, left his home and family at the age of 89. Apparently he didn't want to be a burden to his family.
His whereabouts thereafter were unknown.


Cota Ramaswami
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:27 am

^(guess who googled the answer)

Aussies burning reviews now because they've completely lost confidence in this corrupt umpire.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:30 am

all reviews gone now, Gaffney can decide this match

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:32 am

Smith 1 out of 3 on reviews.

He reviews Dar with his last review and loses.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:36 am

Chappel on his #3 speech again.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:27 am

Lol at the Barmy Army simultaneously calling for Smith to review a not out appeal (off Dar). Smith has no reviews available. Ball tracking said ump's call.

Barmy Army are the funniest cricket fans.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:34 am

lol this will be hilarious if Aussies lose this, the game would be over if he enforced thrle follow on
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:35 am

We were expecting the ball to be moving sideways and hooping all over. Has not happened as it was too old. Aussies missed their golden chance last nite to bowl with the new pinkie but blew it and could now hand this match to the Poms.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:43 am

get through today 3 down and the suns out on a good batting track tomorrow, English then have a huge chance.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:46 am

Verity wrote:lol this will be hilarious if Aussies lose this, the game would be over if he enforced thrle follow on


You said they were no chance :lol:

Never give a sucker an even break.

We now know according to Starc that the bowlers weren't asked when Smith made that non follow on decision. He'll regret it for the rest of his life if they lose here and England can take this series.

Right now its 60-40 England.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:49 am

Verity wrote:lol this will be hilarious if Aussies lose this, the game would be over if he enforced thrle follow on


Declared.

No follow on enforced.

Reviews gone early.

Dropped catch.

If Aus lose this - Smith has one heck of a press conference ahead of him. Lucky he's the best bat in the world.

But Aus will likely win.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:49 am

it had to be Cummins :cool: :cool: :cool:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:52 am

Look at Paddles edit his post after the fact. :lol:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:01 am

England are favourites until Root is removed.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:06 am

They bat further down than us too. Broad has a Test ton. Root is the key. Must remove him in the first hour of play tomorrow. Smith's match has not improved much after last nites debacle. Failed to review the Vince dismissal by Haze and things got progressively worse.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:10 am

baggygreenmania wrote:They bat further down than us too. Broad has a Test ton. Root is the key. Must remove him in the first hour of play tomorrow. Expect smith would be feeling a little sick at this moment.


yep he's had a bad day

dropped a catch, burned his reviews, screwed by Gaffney etc and England on top

England have had all the momentum since the third innings commenced

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:13 am

yep he's had a bad day

A bad couple of days.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:18 am

baggygreenmania wrote:yep he's had a bad day

A bad couple of days.


one bad session yesterday. The bad started when he decided not to enforce follow on.

The timing was perfect to send England in against the new ball under lights.

The pitch has settled down today too making it look even more stupid.

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Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:20 am

Basit Ali's brother is the key for me in this England team.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:52 am

Katto wrote:Look at Paddles edit his post after the fact. :lol:


I still think you ought to start your own thread dedicated to discussing me. It would save you going off cricket topics so often.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:34 pm

There's a reason Australia are at #5 in the ICC rankings, and England at #3.

Granted the Aussies have a home advantage, but this constant deriding of England as pushovers is just hot air - not backed by substance.
I suspect the Aussie media (and fans) have built this up - and the players might have started believing it too.

Not suggesting that you have to be overawed by your opponents but not recognising their strengths, and the threat they pose you, is a sign of stupidity.

How could Smith overlook the fact that the bowling conditions were ideal for England bowlers?
Did he rate his batsmen SO much, or rate England bowlers SO little?

Maybe Australia's win at Brisbane sent some wrong signals about England? Many analysts would agree that, though England lost at Brisbane, it was much closer than the final 10-wicket win suggests - but did Smith get this message?

Am as diehard an Aussie fan as they come, when it comes to the Ashes - and it's really hard for me to reconcile to this situation. My mind goes back to the Gilly declaration blunder of 2001 (when Mark Butcher got that 173*) but that wasn't half as damaging - the series was in the bag already. Had this been a dead rubber Test, I wouldn't have been half as upset.

Having said that, maybe, just maybe, it's not a bad thing for Australia to lose this. Not saying this cos of "getting life into the Ashes" (I'd be happy with Australia winning 5-0) but maybe the Aussie media needs a bit of a reality check.

That bubble needs to be burst - England deserves more respect (not on the field of play, but from the media/Aussies in general) than they're being given.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:46 pm

Smith looks clueless as a captain.It hasn't affected his batting though.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:55 pm

Paddles wrote:
Verity wrote:lol this will be hilarious if Aussies lose this, the game would be over if he enforced thrle follow on


Declared.

No follow on enforced.

Reviews gone early.

Dropped catch.

If Aus lose this - Smith has one heck of a press conference ahead of him. Lucky he's the best bat in the world.

But Aus will likely win.


add getting out twice being cocky at the crease.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:42 pm

Hehe look at all the division in the media because Australia have a couple of tough days . “Time to give maxwell a go?” - ha!

The devilry that afflicted the likes of English media punditry is awash in Australia! The pox of couch-bound keyboard warriors fall upon you! Tear asunder your downunder! Muahahahaha!!

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby MikeR68 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:58 pm

As a die-hard Aussie supporter I agree with Boycs and Raja the media is the one thing I cannot stand about Australian cricket. It tends to pump up the players who believe they just have to walk on the field to win. If they lose series overseas it's never the fault of their pets, it's the conditions that are served up OS. Good players can adapt to all conditions.

But Paddles I got to disagree slightly Root messed up at the toss, you never send the opposition in to bat in a D/N test, that made no sense. The declaration made sense as it enabled the new ball under lights but it rained, but in all honesty it didn't look like the Australian bowlers were doing much anyway England scored 30 runs in the first 7 overs due to some poor bowling, that's not Smith's fault. As for not enforcing the follow-on, hindsight is a funny thing, but there is no guarantee that the Australian bowlers would be able to do what Anderson did, they could have bowled like Broad and the current performances by the Australian new ball bowlers suggest that would be more likely. Even Saker came out and said that they didn't feel the conditions were going to do much for Starc and Hazlewood, but for Anderson it was a different story.

As for the reviews the first one did sound like an inside edge and Cummins and Paine would have advised, but the second one was completely the fault of Hazlewood, he was the only person to see that it hit above the knee roll and was too high. But as captain he has to shoulder the blame, but I imagine he would be slightly pissed at his players, after all he has a lot of players in the Australian team riding his coat tails, pulling in the millions of dollars whilst not doing much on the field, and the second innings is typical of what happens when he has an off day with the bat. Look at the difference in approach of Root and Malan, a guy who averages only 23 at test level, against the night conditions compared to the approach of the Australian batsmen. Australian bowlers had no plan other than relying on the conditions to do the work, it took a thunderbolt at the stumps to dislodge Malan, a delivery that can be bowled by all Australian bowlers but wasn't.

Australia should win this match and that glosses over the important questions that should be asked to enable a better team performance by Australia.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:59 pm

MikeR68 wrote:As a die-hard Aussie supporter I agree with Boycs and Raja the media is the one thing I cannot stand about Australian cricket. It tends to pump up the players who believe they just have to walk on the field to win. If they lose series overseas it's never the fault of their pets, it's the conditions that are served up OS. Good players can adapt to all conditions.

But Paddles I got to disagree slightly Root messed up at the toss, you never send the opposition in to bat in a D/N test, that made no sense. The declaration made sense as it enabled the new ball under lights but it rained, but in all honesty it didn't look like the Australian bowlers were doing much anyway England scored 30 runs in the first 7 overs due to some poor bowling, that's not Smith's fault. As for not enforcing the follow-on, hindsight is a funny thing, but there is no guarantee that the Australian bowlers would be able to do what Anderson did, they could have bowled like Broad and the current performances by the Australian new ball bowlers suggest that would be more likely. Even Saker came out and said that they didn't feel the conditions were going to do much for Starc and Hazlewood, but for Anderson it was a different story.

As for the reviews the first one did sound like an inside edge and Cummins and Paine would have advised, but the second one was completely the fault of Hazlewood, he was the only person to see that it hit above the knee roll and was too high. But as captain he has to shoulder the blame, but I imagine he would be slightly pissed at his players, after all he has a lot of players in the Australian team riding his coat tails, pulling in the millions of dollars whilst not doing much on the field, and the second innings is typical of what happens when he has an off day with the bat. Look at the difference in approach of Root and Malan, a guy who averages only 23 at test level, against the night conditions compared to the approach of the Australian batsmen. Australian bowlers had no plan other than relying on the conditions to do the work, it took a thunderbolt at the stumps to dislodge Malan, a delivery that can be bowled by all Australian bowlers but wasn't.

Australia should win this match and that glosses over the important questions that should be asked to enable a better team performance by Australia.


Mike, disagree all you like. You make a lot of good points here.

But if Aus lose after a first innings declaration, it will be discussed again my the media and cricket fans. As will the fact most members on here and the paid experts all agreed that Adelaide was England's best chance to jag a win. This would explain the slow batting scoring rate of the 1st innings. Eeking every run, then a sudden few overs at the start of the 3rd session where they swing at everything. Could that have started earlier? Could that have been left to play on a little longer? Or should Marsh and the tail bated England out of the game with a
score over 500 and time against the English men?

These are questions Steve Smith will face if Aus lose, in conjunction with the far bigger not enforcing follow on - not asking the bowlers about follow on, and burning the reviews.

Steve Smith can possibly reply "it was the right decision at the time and we play every game to win, not draw". And this can then reported and debated by some and celebrated by some.
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