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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:15 am

baggygreenmania wrote:I am talking purely about the state of play when Smith sent us back in. We had just rolled them for a meagre score. The bowlers were on a high.. the weather was not that energy sapping.. England were morally at their lowest ebb. They were ripe for the picking. Lambs to the slaughter. Reckon Howard had the FINAL say. Decision should be Smiths and his alone.

Would Dennis Lillee have taken this without protest in such a situation? No he would have told his skipper "give me the ball and I will finish off these Poms"


That's the difference between Starc and Dennis Lillee. Starcevic is kind of like the Andrew Bogut of cricket.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:14 am

Handscomb looks a mess. If he doesn't sort himself out soon he'll be out of the side.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:37 am

Too much to expect Marsh to contribute in both innings.
And with Handscomb now a walking wicket, the lead of 289 looks woefully inadequate right now.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:49 am

Poms smelling blood.. the full consequence of our decision to invite them back into the game. SOS and Timmy need another useful partnership to get us up to 350. Which should be sufficient.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Yorkshire » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:50 am

290 for 6
Go English Go Crush Australians , you can do that.335 good to go because history says , ‘ day 4 favors batsman ‘

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:51 am

The sad thing is - Aus already may have enough runs to win but I like the extra level of intrigue the night session and ball age/condition therein brings.

England will want to be batting all or mosr next session to prevent a new or near new pinkie under lights.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Yorkshire » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:52 am

Katto wrote:Handscomb looks a mess. If he doesn't sort himself out soon he'll be out of the side.


You not have anyone in Australia so he will keep selected in Ashes

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:55 am

We just have to bat out this session and at least half of the next.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:00 am

Everything going as per expectation.
Much as I hate to acknowledge it, have to say England have really upped their game in this second innings, favourable conditions or not.
Fielding/catching has been sharp too.
That's what usually happens when you've been given a sniff when you were totally down and out.
England are not the losers many like to project them as.
In fact, I think this projection works to their benefit.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Yorkshire » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:04 am

Paddles wrote:The sad thing is - Aus already may have enough runs to win but I like the extra level of intrigue the night session and ball age/condition therein brings.

England will want to be batting all or mosr next session to prevent a new or near new pinkie under lights.


Amazing test with plenty of Over left under nice weather,england need to save their wicket and slowly and surely increase run rate as match progress.Hazelwood and Lyon good bowler in the second innings but I do not worry much of MS / Cummins

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:13 am

I will settle for a lead of 350 minimum.

Tonight will be very interesting under lights when England bat.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:27 am

And now Paine goes.
Chasing 305-310?
Piece of cake!

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:40 am

Khawaja the only player to get to 20 so far.
What a diabolical innings.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:56 am

Marsh goes.
no one can get past 20

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:00 am

No Warne - Jadeja at present is the best #9 when Ashwin bats 7 or 8 with a keeper ahead of.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:05 am

Woakes - 36 very valuable runs in the 1st innings, and 5 wickets in the match so far.
Definitely the world's best all-rounder right now, in the absence of Stokes.
Close behind him, Craig Overton.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:08 am

raja wrote:Woakes - 36 very valuable runs in the 1st innings, and 5 wickets in the match so far.
Definitely the world's best all-rounder right now, in the absence of Stokes.
Close behind him, Craig Overton.


They're the good men, but if you want a tail end test all rounder - you want a de Grandhomme.

Colin is slowly chasing down Shakib.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:09 am

Ali, Woakes, Overton, Broad....
to have 4 all-time allrounder greats in your side at the same time.
Stokes isn't being missed at all!

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:10 am

raja wrote:Ali, Woakes, Overton, Broad....
to have 4 all-time allrounder greats in your side at the same time.
Stokes isn't being missed at all!


Broad?

His batting has turned to custard since a Sri Lankan bouncer.

I do like Eng's AR strong tail tho.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:11 am

20 strikes again. 9 down now.
add another half hour to the session the final two have to survive until tea.
nearly 50 minutes total.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:13 am

Starc gone for 20.

So what's the highest team score for a completed innings (all-out) for a side which has a highest individual score of not more than 20?

I remember at Kanpur in 1976-77 against New Zealand, India managed to get 524/9 decl, and the highest individual score was 70 by Mohinder Amarnath. Gavaskar, Viswanath, Mankad, Venkataraghavan all got 50s. Even Bedi scored a breezy 50*, hitting Peter Petherick for 3 sixes in an over.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:20 am

England keep bowling short and Australia keep swinging

maybe should've let some of these go in hindsight

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:27 am

raja wrote:Starc gone for 20.

So what's the highest team score for a completed innings (all-out) for a side which has a highest individual score of not more than 20?

I remember at Kanpur in 1976-77 against New Zealand, India managed to get 524/9 decl, and the highest individual score was 70 by Mohinder Amarnath. Gavaskar, Viswanath, Mankad, Venkataraghavan all got 50s. Even Bedi scored a breezy 50*, hitting Peter Petherick for 3 sixes in an over.


Almost a typical raja anecdote mentioning a 1970's match, an Indian great spinner - but NZ drew this particular match.

But NZ lost the series - so its not entirely atypical.

I am jesting raja- don't take offence.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:31 am

Well if England win this - Laxman and Dravid's match has a rival.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:34 am

353 to win looks like. Just as I get up.

Unlikely. We might collapse in a heap even worse than Australia did.

But putting up a fight makes it more palatable

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:37 am

Boycs wrote:353 to win looks like. Just as I get up.

Unlikely. We might collapse in a heap even worse than Australia did.

But putting up a fight makes it more palatable


Australia rely on Lyon more than they should. They need runs to play with for Lyon to be a factor.
Not sure if they have enough.

Most of those Aussie wickets were down to poor batting. (all of today's wickets)

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:43 am

Paddles wrote:
raja wrote:Starc gone for 20.

So what's the highest team score for a completed innings (all-out) for a side which has a highest individual score of not more than 20?

I remember at Kanpur in 1976-77 against New Zealand, India managed to get 524/9 decl, and the highest individual score was 70 by Mohinder Amarnath. Gavaskar, Viswanath, Mankad, Venkataraghavan all got 50s. Even Bedi scored a breezy 50*, hitting Peter Petherick for 3 sixes in an over.


Almost a typical raja anecdote mentioning a 1970's match, an Indian great spinner - but NZ drew this particular match.

But NZ lost the series - so its not entirely atypical.

I am jesting raja- don't take offence.


No offence taken.

I mentioned an Indian great spinner here, but in the capacity of a batsman this time - it was a complete surprise for us, listening to the commentary. (Didn't have TV in those days). Bedi and Chandra were the ideal No.9/10 for any opposition team - together they'd barely muster 5-10 runs between them, most times. :-)

But this time, all the Indian batsmen were making merry - and Bedi joined in, hitting poor Petherick (who'd only made his debut a couple of months earlier, getting a hat-trick on debut) for 3 in an over. (Bedi would be at the brutal end of some hitting in a much more important Test at Karachi a couple of years later).

Even Chandra, the ultimate No11 (it's between him and Chris Martin), got into double figures with a boundary - and all 11 Indian batsmen got into double figures!!!

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:52 am

Paddles wrote:Almost a typical raja anecdote mentioning a 1970's match, an Indian great spinner - but NZ drew this particular match.

But NZ lost the series - so its not entirely atypical.



It was 2-0 for India, but could very easily have been 3-0.

The scoreboard doesn't show that Venkat missed a very easy chance of Andy Roberts, when NZ were 8 or 9 down and still far from saving the follow-on.

It was uncharacteristic of Venkat - he was one of the sharper fielders in the side.

To his credit, Roberts (himself quite new, and certainly to sub-continent conditions) hung in there and played a very valuable knock.

And then, in the second innings again, it was a fighting partnership between Lees and O'Sullivan that saved the game for NZ. Credit to them, though it was very frustrating for us Indian schoolboys. I remember being glued to radio for the commentary of that series.

India was by far the better side in those conditions - NZ was a weak side then.

It was like, get Turner and you've broken the batting. Play out Hadlee, and you're safe. :-)

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:54 am

So who thinks Australia will still win this?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:56 am

Even after 11,000 test runs cook doesn’t look convincing on the front foot on the off side. Holds the bat out in front so far away from his right foot. Like a radiator mounted too far away from the wall.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:00 am

Boycs wrote:Even after 11,000 test runs cook doesn’t look convincing on the front foot on the off side. Holds the bat out in front so far away from his right foot. Like a radiator mounted too far away from the wall.

I don't care how unconvincing he looks.
What's most important is he's still there. :evil:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:01 am

raja wrote:
Paddles wrote:Almost a typical raja anecdote mentioning a 1970's match, an Indian great spinner - but NZ drew this particular match.

But NZ lost the series - so its not entirely atypical.



It was 2-0 for India, but could very easily have been 3-0.

The scoreboard doesn't show that Venkat missed a very easy chance of Andy Roberts, when NZ were 8 or 9 down and still far from saving the follow-on.

It was uncharacteristic of Venkat - he was one of the sharper fielders in the side.

To his credit, Roberts (himself quite new, and certainly to sub-continent conditions) hung in there and played a very valuable knock.

And then, in the second innings again, it was a fighting partnership between Lees and O'Sullivan that saved the game for NZ. Credit to them, though it was very frustrating for us Indian schoolboys. I remember being glued to radio for the commentary of that series.

India was by far the better side in those conditions - NZ was a weak side then.

It was like, get Turner and you've broken the batting. Play out Hadlee, and you're safe. :-)


NZ has been weaker than 77/78 but even later when NZ was stronger - it was play out Hadlee and you're safe.

There's a famous disparaging quote from NZ's 86 tour of England that still does the rounds now. The gist is that facing NZ's attack was facing a World XI at one end with Hadlee, and the Barnsly Village Second team at the other. NZ won the 86 tour tho.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:04 am

Ooooo Australia don’t review an out lbw and miss out on a cook wicket.

Got to go to work now :(

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:04 am

Who is this idiot umpire? that was plumb

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:06 am

Dont believe it Smith has made another clanger not reviewing what turns out to be LBW of Cook. Haze pleaded with Smith to use DRS.. A prize wicket and he blows it. Not a good match for Smith.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:08 am

I'd much rather an umpire get off the fence and give one out than be too gutless to make a decision.
Its much harder on the fielding team to risk wasting a review than the batting side.

I don't blame Smith for this. I blame the spineless umpire. He should be suspended from the international panel. Not good enough to be there.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:11 am

Clip. Four
Clip. Four
Clip. Four
Dot ball
Clip. Three

Get on, Stoneman!

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:13 am

When you have even the remotest change of dislodging a bloke with 11000+ test runs under his belt you take the risk. Yes umpires need to show some more guts instead of turning everything down. I would like to see a rule change that impels umpires to call a review if there is any doubt in their mind.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:13 am

Don’t lose your head though. Put away the leg stump half volley. Respect the good line and length shiz until they get sleepy and the ball wears down

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:14 am

Boycs wrote:Clip. Four
Clip. Four
Clip. Four
Dot ball
Clip. Three

Get on, Stoneman!


Lovely stuff!

Soften and rough that ball up before tonight.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:22 am

baggygreenmania wrote:When you have even the remotest change of dislodging a bloke with 11000+ test runs under his belt you take the risk. Yes umpires need to show some more guts instead of turning everything down. I would like to see a rule change that impels umpires to call a review if there is any doubt in their mind.


Warner was the one who said it was umpire's call in the field.

I don't know why we have NZ 'neutral' umpires in these series. History shows their bias toward England.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:33 am

If only there was a way Australia could have reviewed that poor umpiring decision. Some system that would allow match officials to review and instruct the umpire to change his decision.

An umpiring decision review system as it were.

If only Australia and cricket had access to this level of technology.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:35 am

If only umpires could...umpire.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:39 am

Katto wrote:If only umpires could...umpire.


Haha.

This is your finest post of late.

I said when you make a good post I would tell you whether I appreciated it.

This is it.

Well posted Katto.

It didn't make me laugh - but you did cause a smile. Maybe even a half chuckle.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:52 am

This NZ umpire seems to have an agenda.
Gives Australian batsmen out when they're not out, gives English batsmen not out when they're out.
A trend is certainly emerging.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:03 am

England fiddy up without loss of any wickets.

304 to win.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:06 am

Hazelwood fudges a catch chance off Lyon.

Are the wheels on Aussie's bus falling off,
falling off,
falling off?
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:07 am

Where's the ch 9 win predictor this year?
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:08 am

Katto wrote:This NZ umpire seems to have an agenda.
Gives Australian batsmen out when they're not out, gives English batsmen not out when they're out.
A trend is certainly emerging.


Yeah yeah heaven forbid England are just having a good day :P

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:14 am

Boycs wrote:
Katto wrote:This NZ umpire seems to have an agenda.
Gives Australian batsmen out when they're not out, gives English batsmen not out when they're out.
A trend is certainly emerging.


Yeah yeah heaven forbid England are just having a good day :P


however the trend continues...

same umpire, same result, this time we review it