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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:02 am

England, eg Stuart Broad would've done the same thing in that situation

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:03 am

Smith and Warner have invited the Poms back into this.. very generous of them. Expect Boof had a say in this absurd decision too.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Verity » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:04 am

Fast bowlers are soft cocks now aday so the follow on is never enforced.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:05 am

Verity wrote:
Katto wrote:By not enforcing follow on its handed initiative back to England


Still can't see that batting lineup of England doing anything, Root and Cook are the only batsmen, rest are part timers.


As usual, underestimating England. :-)

It's a mind game too - England will be mentally very much on top, considering they were down-and-out not so long ago.
This is the Ashes - England will most certainly raise their game now, having been given this opening in the door.

Australia, on the other hand, will start their bowling on a low - and start having self-doubt, with every run England gets.

Can't see Australia winning this from here. Smith, I like you - but this was totally totally unnecessary.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:06 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
This isn't supported by 2005, 2009, 2013 or 2015 Ashes.


How are games played in England relevant to here?

That's a rhetorical question. don't answer it.


Where else in Straya with a kookie or England with a Duke, during the day, does Adelaide at night swing like?

This is a rhetorical question. Don't answer it.

:lmao:

Sorry if I'm too subtle for you, I don't write my posts for your level.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:08 am

raja wrote:
Verity wrote:
Still can't see that batting lineup of England doing anything, Root and Cook are the only batsmen, rest are part timers.


As usual, underestimating England. :-)

It's a mind game too - England will be mentally very much on top, considering they were down-and-out not so long ago.
This is the Ashes - England will most certainly raise their game now, having been given this opening in the door.

Australia, on the other hand, will start their bowling on a low - and start having self-doubt, with every run England gets.

Can't see Australia winning this from here. Smith, I like you - but this was totally totally unnecessary.


Smith wants a batsman at 6. This is the price to pay.

Aus prolly got this still supporting the 4 bowler theory.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:09 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
How are games played in England relevant to here?

That's a rhetorical question. don't answer it.


Where else in Straya with a kookie or England with a Duke during the day does Adelaide at night swing like?

This is a rhetorical question. Don't answer it.

:lmao:


We've got data from two other test matches played at the same venue to know the answer. The opposition is irrelevant and the weather conditions tonight were more like the previous years.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:10 am

I am mystified by this decision not to enforce follow on. Is it because of logical reasons like Australia having 4 frontline bowlers or self doubt ?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:12 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Where else in Straya with a kookie or England with a Duke, during the day, does Adelaide at night swing like?

This is a rhetorical question. Don't answer it.

:lmao:


We've got data from two other test matches played at the same venue to know the answer. The opposition is irrelevant and the weather conditions tonight were more like the previous years.


1-I said England which you're ignoring
2-I said Straya which you're ignoring
3-I said it was rhetorical which you're ignoring

Katto - I don't write posts for your level of understanding outside Adelaide day^night but higher than that. I make no apologies for this.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:12 am

Katto wrote:
Verity wrote:
Still can't see that batting lineup of England doing anything, Root and Cook are the only batsmen, rest are part timers.


never give a sucker an even break still holds today


A famous Wally Grout quote about cricket though used elsewhere as well. :grin:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:13 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Where else in Straya with a kookie or England with a Duke, during the day, does Adelaide at night swing like?

This is a rhetorical question. Don't answer it.

:lmao:


We've got data from two other test matches played at the same venue to know the answer. The opposition is irrelevant and the weather conditions tonight were more like the previous years.


1-I said England which you're ignoring
2-I said Straya which you're ignoring
3-I said it was rhetorical which you're ignoring

Katto - I don't write posts for your level of understanding outside Adelaide day/night but higher than that. I make no apologies for this. You're special.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:14 am

bolero wrote:I am mystified by this decision not to enforce follow on. Is it because of logical reasons like Australia having 4 frontline bowlers or self doubt ?


Typical Lehmann he coddles his bowlers.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:18 am

bolero wrote:I am mystified by this decision not to enforce follow on. Is it because of logical reasons like Australia having 4 frontline bowlers or self doubt ?
Totally mystifying. Absurb decision by the Aussie hierachy. We have played right into their hands. Talk about removing the foot from the throat. The media will crucify Smith if England gets home from here.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:20 am

bolero wrote:I am mystified by this decision not to enforce follow on. Is it because of logical reasons like Australia having 4 frontline bowlers or self doubt ?


Imo its the 4 bowler factor.

Cummins was bowling mid 130s bumper to the tail before innings Aus batted.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:23 am

Expect to see Mitch Marsh welcomed back now he is again bowling.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:25 am

I'd like to hear reactions of ex-Aussie players.
Not so much the Mark Waugh/Ian Healy types, but the Ian Chappell types.
Would Ian Chappell have chosen to bat again, had he been in this situation?
Lillee wouldn't have allowed him to - he'd have grabbed the ball and starting marking his run-up. :-)

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:28 am

For people on Katto's level left confused by my earlier riposte - my point is that suggesting English batsmen having a greater weakness to a swinging ball than Aus's - this isn't supported by the swinging ball in 2005, 2009, 2013 and 2015 Ashes.

It was clearly too subtle for Katto who wants to talk about Adelaide for some reason only known to him.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:29 am

raja wrote:I'd like to hear reactions of ex-Aussie players.
Not so much the Mark Waugh/Ian Healy types, but the Ian Chappell types.
Would Ian Chappell have chosen to bat again, had he been in this situation?
Lillee wouldn't have allowed him to - he'd have grabbed the ball and starting marking his run-up. :-)


Ian Chappell as a commentator woulda made all the right captaincy moves with the benefit of hindsight.

Good batsmen bat 3 Steve Waugh - don't forget it.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:31 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Expect to see Mitch Marsh welcomed back now he is again bowling.


He has to more useful than Handscom who at best will use up time tomorrow and bring the odds of a draw into the equation.

However this game pans out it was the wrong decision.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:33 am

Loose halo wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Expect to see Mitch Marsh welcomed back now he is again bowling.


He has to more useful than Handscom who at best will use up time tomorrow and bring the odds of a draw into the equation.

However this game pans out it was the wrong decision.



Engs not out of jail yet but I woulda enforced it and said as much before Aus any wickets fell.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby squarecut » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:34 am

Australia, despite their hiccups will make enough runs that will put the match beyond England. These early wickets are giving English fans some false hopes that will be duly dashed tomorrow.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:46 am

Now that we have the series at 1-1, I don't think England can be stopped from here on.
The series is theirs for the taking.

Congrats in advance, Boycs.

It pains to gift a series in this manner but we have only ourselves to blame.

There's a famous line from a Hindi song "manjhdhaar mein naiyaa doley to maajhi paar lagaaye....maajhi jo naav duboye, usey kaun bachaaye".
Translates to....if the boat is unsteady in the middle of the river, the boatman makes sure he takes it to safety....but if the boatman himself sinks the boat, who can possibly save it?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby bolero » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:48 am

raja wrote:Now that we have the series at 1-1, I don't think England can be stopped from here on.
The series is theirs for the taking.

Congrats in advance, Boycs.

It pains to gift a series in this manner but we have only ourselves to blame.

There's a famous line from a Hindi song "manjhdhaar mein naiyaa doley to maajhi paar lagaaye....maajhi jo naav duboye, usey kaun bachaaye".
Translates to....if the boat is unsteady in the middle of the river, the boatman makes sure he takes it to safety....but if the boatman himself sinks the boat, who can possibly save it?


Who is the boatman you are referring to ? :twisted:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:50 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
We've got data from two other test matches played at the same venue to know the answer. The opposition is irrelevant and the weather conditions tonight were more like the previous years.


1-I said England which you're ignoring
2-I said Straya which you're ignoring
3-I said it was rhetorical which you're ignoring

Katto - I don't write posts for your level of understanding outside Adelaide day^night but higher than that. I make no apologies for this.


You're nuts.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:52 am

Paddles wrote:For people on Katto's level left confused by my earlier riposte - my point is that suggesting English batsmen having a greater weakness to a swinging ball than Aus's - this isn't supported by the swinging ball in 2005, 2009, 2013 and 2015 Ashes.

It was clearly too subtle for Katto who wants to talk about Adelaide for some reason only known to him.


Every batsman has a weakness to the swinging ball. :roll:
You're completely out of your tree.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:55 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:For people on Katto's level left confused by my earlier riposte - my point is that suggesting English batsmen having a greater weakness to a swinging ball than Aus's - this isn't supported by the swinging ball in 2005, 2009, 2013 and 2015 Ashes.

It was clearly too subtle for Katto who wants to talk about Adelaide for some reason only known to him.


Every batsman has a weakness to the swinging ball. :roll:
You're completely out of your tree.


2005, 2009, 2013 and 2015.


Suck it up buttercup. Eng batsmen handle swing bowling better than Aus batsmen so much so Aus are playing fc cricket with a duke ball at home. Eng bowlers serve it up beymtter, Eng batsmen score off it better. Series after series.

You're not on our level Katto. You're much dumber than you think you are. Much much dumber. No offence.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:57 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
Every batsman has a weakness to the swinging ball. :roll:
You're completely out of your tree.


2005, 2009, 2013 and 2015.


Suck it up buttercup. Eng batsmen handle swing better than Aus batsmen so much so Aus are playing fc cricket with a duke ball at home.

You're not on our level Katto. You're much dumber than you think. Much much dumber. No offence.


Are you drunk or did you eat a lot of paint chips as a child?

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby raja » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:58 am

bolero wrote:
raja wrote:Now that we have the series at 1-1, I don't think England can be stopped from here on.
The series is theirs for the taking.

Congrats in advance, Boycs.

It pains to gift a series in this manner but we have only ourselves to blame.

There's a famous line from a Hindi song "manjhdhaar mein naiyaa doley to maajhi paar lagaaye....maajhi jo naav duboye, usey kaun bachaaye".
Translates to....if the boat is unsteady in the middle of the river, the boatman makes sure he takes it to safety....but if the boatman himself sinks the boat, who can possibly save it?


Who is the boatman you are referring to ? :twisted:


Steve Smith. Or if Lehmann calls the shots, Lehmann.
I suspect this is Lehmann's job.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:58 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
2005, 2009, 2013 and 2015.


Suck it up buttercup. Eng batsmen handle swing better than Aus batsmen so much so Aus are playing fc cricket with a duke ball at home.

You're not on our level Katto. You're much dumber than you think. Much much dumber. No offence.


Are you drunk or did you eat a lot of paint chips as a child?


2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 - and Aus responding by using a Duke ball at home.

The problem with you Katto is you carry on after you're stuffed.That's why I call you 'dumb dumb'. You don't even realise when logically you're mistaken.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:01 pm

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
Are you drunk or did you eat a lot of paint chips as a child?


2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 - and Aus responding by using a Duke ball at home.

The problem with you Katto is you carry on after you're stuffed.That's why I call you 'dumb dumb'. You don't even realise when logically you're mistaken.


you in a nutshell...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:03 pm

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 - and Aus responding by using a Duke ball at home.

The problem with you Katto is you carry on after you're stuffed.That's why I call you 'dumb dumb'. You don't even realise when logically you're mistaken.


you in a nutshell...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection


Oh an ad hominem attack from you. How rare.

2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 - and Aus using a Duke ball at home.

Katto - without blowing my own horn - I could be leglessly drunk and still run intellectual rings around you. You're just not very smart. And I say this as an impartial logician.

I disagree with Boycs and raja, but I don't think they're dumb like you. But you, you're special. Even a first year high school kid typically knows when they're logically wrong. But you , you just carry on.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:23 pm

Paddles wrote:


Oh an ad hominem attack from you. How rare.

2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 - and Aus using a Duke ball at home.

Katto - without blowing my own horn - I could be leglessly drunk and still run intellectual rings around you. You're just not very smart. And I say this as an impartial logician.

I disagree with Boycs and raja, but I don't think they're dumb like you. But you, you're special. Even a first year high school kid typically knows when they're logically wrong. But you , you just carry on.


keep digging

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:29 pm

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Oh an ad hominem attack from you. How rare.

2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 - and Aus using a Duke ball at home.

Katto - without blowing my own horn - I could be leglessly drunk and still run intellectual rings around you. You're just not very smart. And I say this as an impartial logician.

I disagree with Boycs and raja, but I don't think they're dumb like you. But you, you're special. Even a first year high school kid typically knows when they're logically wrong. But you , you just carry on.


keep digging


Digging?

I'm well past a 'Eureka' moment with your posts lacking basic understanding of logic.

2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 - and Duke ball at home.

But focus on me and not the facts. :)
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:31 pm

God’s sake you two. The Ashes are England v Australia not New Zealand v Australia :)

It’s Katto and me who should be trading barbs. But instead we are the best of friends in a model of international relations

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:33 pm

Boycs wrote:God’s sake you two. The Ashes are England v Australia not New Zealand v Australia :)

It’s Katto and me who should be trading barbs. But instead we are the best of friends in a model of international relations


Nah you're a moderator.

Katto doesn't go toe to toe with mods like I do with GS for example.

But with GS and Katto - their levels of ignorance and basic stupidity prevet me from holding back.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:33 pm

Boycs wrote:God’s sake you two. The Ashes are England v Australia not New Zealand v Australia :)

It’s Katto and me who should be trading barbs. But instead we are the best of friends in a model of international relations


yep, and we don't even see eye to eye politically but at least we can communicate in a civil manner :lol:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:34 pm

Paddles wrote:
Boycs wrote:God’s sake you two. The Ashes are England v Australia not New Zealand v Australia :)

It’s Katto and me who should be trading barbs. But instead we are the best of friends in a model of international relations


Nah you're a moderator.

Katto doesn't go toe to toe with mods like I do with GS for example.


these conspiracy theories :roll:

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:35 pm

Katto wrote:
Boycs wrote:God’s sake you two. The Ashes are England v Australia not New Zealand v Australia :)

It’s Katto and me who should be trading barbs. But instead we are the best of friends in a model of international relations


yep, and we don't even see eye to eye politically but at least we can communicate in a civil manner :lol:



Nuts, tree, paint chips, drunk, all before projection - read back Katto.

You're both a coward and dumb.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:38 pm

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
yep, and we don't even see eye to eye politically but at least we can communicate in a civil manner :lol:



Nuts, tree, paint chips, drunk, all before projection - read back Katto.

You're both a coward and dumb.


You should read your own posts some time.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Paddles » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:39 pm

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:

Nuts, tree, paint chips, drunk, all before projection - read back Katto.

You're both a coward and dumb.


You should read your own posts some time.


I do whenever I seek something good, esp cricket related, to read.

I even edit my posts - which you take issue with.

My long white cloud near monologue is the major reaon I stay here. I've already since joined a new Kiwi sport forum :)

Tbh - I have considered moving it.

Without raja and Boycs - I'd be gone from here already.

Long story short Katto - you're not fun for me, even when I ridicule you and your flawed insulting and rude logic.You're a pain in my ass and and a liability for the forum with your illogical and ad hominem posts.

2005, 2009, 2013, 2015 and Duke ball at home. Don't waste my time Katto.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Boycs » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:55 pm

Katto wrote:
Boycs wrote:God’s sake you two. The Ashes are England v Australia not New Zealand v Australia :)

It’s Katto and me who should be trading barbs. But instead we are the best of friends in a model of international relations


yep, and we don't even see eye to eye politically but at least we can communicate in a civil manner :lol:


I can’t even remember your political viewpoints to be fair.

I just don’t know what’s happened to this forum. It used to be about insects! :D

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:45 pm

Fourth day and a new dawn here in Australia with a forecast full day ahead.

Australia will dawdle to lunch in struggle mode and aim for a twilight break declaration to have England bat under lights this evening.

Australia should try for quick runs at some stage maybe the tail will lash out.

Watching Handscomb's and Marsh's approach will be interesting. :popcorn:

Australia 1.35
England 15.00
Draw 4.00

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby TedWard » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:58 pm

Boycs wrote:I just don’t know what’s happened to this forum. It used to be about insects! :D


No one likes the idea of catching live crickets with a loaf of bread - its the idea of a striped trouser wearing mad man.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby TedWard » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:07 pm

Loose halo wrote:Fourth day and a new dawn here in Australia with a forecast full day ahead.

Australia will dawdle to lunch in struggle mode and aim for a twilight break declaration to have England bat under lights this evening.

Australia should try for quick runs at some stage maybe the tail will lash out.

Watching Handscomb's and Marsh's approach will be interesting. :popcorn:

Australia 1.35
England 15.00
Draw 4.00


I'd be pretty happy if it goes like you say, happy for Handscomb to take his time too. Theres is still a bit of a job to do - 350 in five sessions is not out of the question for England. (Full disclosure I may have both Marsh and Handscomb in the IIHAGTYH competition).

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:34 pm

Steve Smith. Or if Lehmann calls the shots, Lehmann.
I suspect this is Lehmann's job.
Reckon knobhead guru Pat Howard would have also had a say. "no we dont want to tire our bowlers so do not enforce the follow on Boof. Tell Smithy that" or words similar.
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Loose halo » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:01 am

They certainly do get together to decide these things.
Lehmann is a democratic guy up to a certain point. The current elite panel would be Lehmann Smith Warner and the bowlers would be assessed with Lehmann telling Smith what he thought.

Most times Smith would agree probably amicably.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Yorkshire » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:10 am

I think england back into the game,I wish one of big gun from England— Cook or My all time Favorite, Joe Root / Johnny play one of greatest innings on Bowlers Friendly wicket ( NOW) and Level Ashes Series 1/1

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:35 am

Yorkshire wrote:I think england back into the game,I wish one of big gun from England— Cook or My all time Favorite, Joe Root / Johnny play one of greatest innings on Bowlers Friendly wicket ( NOW) and Level Ashes Series 1/1

Australia has astoundingly let your blokes back into the match and series with this foolhardy decision. Almost as if it was pre planned to breath life back into the Ashes. Also for revenue purposes as a huge amount of money rides on this popular series. No bums on seats equates to no money in CA coffers..
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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby Katto » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:00 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Yorkshire wrote:I think england back into the game,I wish one of big gun from England— Cook or My all time Favorite, Joe Root / Johnny play one of greatest innings on Bowlers Friendly wicket ( NOW) and Level Ashes Series 1/1

Australia has astoundingly let your blokes back into the match and series with this foolhardy decision. Almost as if it was pre planned to breath life back into the Ashes. Also for revenue purposes as a huge amount of money rides on this popular series. No bums on seats equates to no money in CA coffers..


LOL, even I'm not going to buy that

Steve Smith is very conservative and Pat Howard would've had a say. Given recent history I'm not surprised they didn't enforce the follow on, even though I disagree with the decision. The logic is all messed up. What if say England had managed to score 450+ in the first innings...Australia would still have to bowl those overs, the bowlers would need to be fit to bowl those overs - but we all know Starc isn't durable on SC tours.

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Re: The Ashes 2017-18: 2nd Test (D/N) : Dec 2-6,2017 at Adelaide

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:45 am

I am talking purely about the state of play when Smith sent us back in. We had just rolled them for a meagre score. The bowler friendly twilite was about due. The bowlers were on a high.. the weather was not that energy sapping.. England were morally at their lowest ebb. They were ripe for the picking. Lambs to the slaughter. Give me one reason why we should not enforce the follow on when we had such a huge escendancy?

Would Dennis Lillee have taken this without protest in such a situation? No he would have told his skipper "give me the ball and I will finish off these Poms"

Reckon Howard had the FINAL say. Decision should be Smiths and his alone.
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