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Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:13 am
by Leo
Another upset in Final!!!!!!!

Good start by Pakistan. Unexpected.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:49 pm
by Paddles
Pakistan 300/4 with 28 balls left. As raja would say, Pakistan has a chance now.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:51 pm
by Paddles
305/4 with 4 overs to go. These overs are crucial.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:13 pm
by Paddles
338/4

Bhuvi bowled incredibly well. I think Pakistan ought to have got over 350 but Imad just got bogged down by some clever Indian bowling that befuddled him (full and wide ball, and short pitch balls), and he didn't get out.

Anyone's game, but importantly Pakistan is not out of it at lunch, they would like more and anything under 350 is in India's range, but this could be an excellent final, yet.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:22 pm
by Going South
Very competitive total. It's anybody's game now. BCCI need to protect wickets in first 20 overs to win.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:44 pm
by Going South
Wicket.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:00 pm
by Going South
Curtains.
Congrats Pakistan fans.
Raja, it's ok to come out of your wood work now. ;)

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:25 pm
by Going South
33/3

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:41 pm
by Paddles
Run rate problems for India here.

Dhoni 3(12) and Yuvi 22(29).

Pandya and Jaedav to come, but the rrr is climbing.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:43 pm
by Paddles
Singh gone. 51/4 - no rain in the air.

Put the champers on ice Pakistan.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:46 pm
by Paddles
54/5 Dhoni gone.

Clear skies.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:46 pm
by Boycs
Congrats Pakistan. Raja must be happy

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:49 pm
by Paddles
This Hassan looks a much better bowler than Wahab.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:23 pm
by Paddles
H Pandya is such a great entertainer. Marvellous cricketers, him and his brother both.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:36 pm
by Paddles
Wow. Jadeja 13 (22) lets Pandya 76(43) get run out.


Pandya is left fuming!!!


Wow.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:43 pm
by Paddles
Jadeja nicks off, 156/8, this is over bar the fireworks. Pandya and Bhuvi had great days out, but noone else for India with a day to remember.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:47 pm
by Katto
I told you :cool:

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:56 pm
by louie_db9
Complete humiliation.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:42 pm
by Boycs
What a massacre! When Pakistan blow hot they're unstoppable.

We were knocked out by the eventual champions, yet another feather in our caps.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:04 pm
by Leo
Congratulations Pakistan :grin:

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:05 pm
by Boycs
Raja how do you feel?

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:59 pm
by raja
Sorry, guys, I couldn't be here during the game.
Watched the game at a friend's place - thoroughly, thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it.

If I'd dreamt it, I couldn't have dreamt it better. :grin:

Ok, if I'd dreamt it, I wouldn't even give Pandya those sixes - but let me not be SO mean today. :grin:

What an absolutely FANTASTIC all-round performance by my boys.

AM SO proud of them.

Thrilled that BCCI got thrashed. 158 was too much - should have been wrapped up for under 100.

But Sarfraz decided to save them some blushes at least, and didn't clinically finish it off with his quicks, till he thought, enough was enough.

But ok, for now, am just SO SO SO SO happy!

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:11 pm
by raja
Before the match started, my friend said "The first inswinger from Aamir and Rohit will be gone. The very first one".
And that's exactly what happened.

This guy gets runs against all mediocre bowling around the world. Against any high-quality bowling, he's totally exposed.
Isn't the first time he's getting out like this. Not even the first time to Aamir.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-20 ... 66751.html

Kohli's weakness outside the off stump came back to haunt him. Dropped off the previous ball (to one pitched outside off), again falls to the very next delivery pitched outside off. If he doesn't fix this problem soon, he'll struggle, certainly in English conditions.

Bowlers have not exploited this Kohli weakness enough. They often bowl at his pads, which is the worst thing you can do - he will punish you.

In general, BCCI batsmen are all predictable and should have been found out by now. Yuvi, Dhoni....

BCCI could have done with another solid batsman. I think they're missing KL Rahul.

Coming to the bowling.

Bhuvi was very good. Bumrah's no-balls were frustrating. Was it the occasion?
Ashwin & Jadeja were terrible - couldn't get any turn at all, while 18-year old Shadab managed to turn the ball and even picked up Yuvi and Jadhav.

All in all, a very forgettable outing for BCCI.

And a very memorable one for me. :-)

The moment Pak got 338, I knew we had enough. Against this attack, no way was BCCI going to get easy runs.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:15 pm
by raja
If they'd dropped a bowler and picked a batsman instead, it would have been Rahane. :-)
THAT's how pathetic the BCCI squad was.

Pakistan, on the other hand, has a bunch of young players. Not just talented, but also fearless in how they approach the game. Today was a HUGE game. Not just Champions Trophy final, but that too against India.

They didn't show the slightest sign of nerves. I loved the way Fakhar and even Azhar went after the bowling. Risky shots, yes, but they all came off today.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:09 am
by vandy
Congrats to Pakistan, great comeback in the tournament after their first game mauling.

Very poor decision by India to bowl first after winning the toss on what seemed like a good batting track, in a final runs on the board is paramount.

Bumrah's no ball to Farkar was very costly indeed. I'm sure I heard the commentators say he is a no ball serial offender.

Ashwin and Jadeja's bowling was nothing short of pathetic considering their experience.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:31 am
by bolero
:nana:

Going with Ashwin hurt the Indian team.

I would have picked up Shami (India's fastest bowler) or Yadav any day.

It was a Himalayan blunder.

Also opting to field after winning toss defied logic.

Fak kar's wicket of the no ball by Bumrah proved costly.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:51 am
by Going South
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WTF was that hater Vaughan ? You lost my respect for that !

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:53 am
by raja
Many are saying the toss decision was a blunder and key influencing factor but I disagree.

If BCCI had batted first, Aamir & co would have done just the same. The poor batting performance yesterday did NOT come from "pressure of a chase". Certainly not Rohit & Kohli. Both have weaknesses that were very well exploited. Dhawan also got out to an excellent delivery. Yuvi got out DEFENDING to a Shadab delivery.

If you're throwing your wicket away because of getting bogged down in a chase, I can understand. This wasn't like that.

We need to give credit to Pakistan's bowlers. It was a fantastic performance that just blew BCCI away. BCCI batsmen were just not upto the mark.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:42 am
by Paddles
The whole cricketing world has long since known of Amir's talents as yet another formidable Pakistan seamer. The question we all have now - is Hassan cut from the same cloth?

And those a lil more wishful, could Yasir and Shadab be the new leg spin twins in tests not seen success since Warne and MacGill?

Pakistan still havn't debut'd Abbas in pyjamas. I think Wahab Riaz intl days may quickly be reaching their end.

But most urgent for them in tests, can they replace Musbah and Younus in the middle order tho?!

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:12 pm
by ZeGermanCricketFan
Hi guys, read ure comments on yesterday. As an Indian fan (but cricket fan in the first place) I must say that Pakistan played ex-actly as u should in the final of a global tournament. It started with the 1st innings, Fakhar and Ali, the former almost out, but after that he annihiliated Bumrah, whose accuracy and tightness is so vital in their bowling lineup. The opening stand of 128 gave the other batsmen room to express themselves, esp. Hafeez, who did struggle of late. India lost the plot here and I must question Kohli's captaincy. Jadhav comes in no sooner than in the 39th over after Ash had got hammered by 70 runs in his 10, Jaddhu wasn*t doing well either. Jadav hits after 9 balls and dismisses well-set Babar Azam. Why did he not bring him earlier? Ash is a great bowler, a champion player, but u have to assess the conditions correctly. This was a bouncy pitch, and Umesh and Shami were probably howling in the dressing room at every ball the Indian spinners got dispatched. Umesh had taken 3 wickets in the group game against these very players.
In the chase, with runs on the board, the Pakistan bowlers knew they could be relatively relaxed about their game. I do not actually think that Rohit and Kohli made mistakes here. It was just awesome bowling. Remember Amir is the guy that made even great Michael Holding weep when he was caught cheating a couple of years ago. India were bogged down already in the first innings, and the only, really the two players that did come to the party with a special attitude were Bhuvi (with the ball) and Hardik (w bat and ball). That's why he was livid when run out. Not that he alone could have rescued India. But when he was run out, Pandiya had started building something like pressure on the opposition for the first time, bringing the RRR to under 8.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:29 pm
by ZeGermanCricketFan
Interesting to see this new Pakistan team. I wonder what started it all. Looking for clues, two things spring to mind. One is the retirement of Misbah from ODI, and hence the captaincy of Sarfraz. But the second thing is also interesting, and maybe the Pakistani fans could share their views on this. For me it was the famous Wahab Riaz spell against Shane Watson at the WC. Though in a losing cause, the ferocity, body language and courage of Wahab may then actually have shown many young Pakistani bowlers at the U-19, U21- level how a bowler should go about it on the big stage.I see a lot of that fervor in Hasan Ali. But to be honest, isn't that what made Pakistani bowling world famous in the first place? Speed and ferocity, Wasim, Imram, Shoab, enuff said. All in all, well done Pakistan, looking forward to th enew test line-up; hugely disappointed by India.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:07 pm
by Paddles
Forgive if I'm mistaken, but didn't Kohli give a leading edge spooning up to point trying to turn it leg side to a ball angling accross him?

I understand jaffas that get batsmen out that are unplayable, but Amir targetted Kohli on a 4th stump line. Kohli had edged the ball before accross him and was playing for non existant in swing the next.

Amir lured him into making a mistake - as he will many more fine batsmen.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:08 pm
by Boycs
raja wrote:Many are saying the toss decision was a blunder and key influencing factor but I disagree.

If BCCI had batted first, Aamir & co would have done just the same. The poor batting performance yesterday did NOT come from "pressure of a chase". Certainly not Rohit & Kohli. Both have weaknesses that were very well exploited. Dhawan also got out to an excellent delivery. Yuvi got out DEFENDING to a Shadab delivery.

If you're throwing your wicket away because of getting bogged down in a chase, I can understand. This wasn't like that.

We need to give credit to Pakistan's bowlers. It was a fantastic performance that just blew BCCI away. BCCI batsmen were just not upto the mark.


Indeed Kohli and India are often masters of the chase.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:58 pm
by raja

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:02 pm
by raja
Best moment of the match for me was the Pandya run-out, thanks to Jadeja. :-)
That probably summed up BCCI's day. :-)

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:17 pm
by raja
raja wrote:Best moment of the match for me was the Pandya run-out, thanks to Jadeja. :-)
That probably summed up BCCI's day. :-)

Another fantastic moment was Kohli getting dismissed.
I was not happy when Azhar put down the chance off the previous delivery.
But Kohli was kind enough to go for another one outside off. :grin:

The first fun moment of the match was when Bumrah got Fakhar off a no-ball. :lmao:
I was thinking "Oh no! We lose an early wicket, the procession will start now".
Then when they showed the no-ball, I was SO relieved. :grin:

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:46 pm
by Boycs
Policeman dances with Pakistan cricket fans after cup win
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-40335738

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:38 am
by Paddles
raja wrote:Best moment of the match for me was the Pandya run-out, thanks to Jadeja. :-)
That probably summed up BCCI's day. :-)


You're a mean ol' bastard. :lmao:

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:03 am
by Going South
raja wrote:https://twitter.com/NotAnoss/status/876898938715914240

Looks like account is suspended. What was the content ?

ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:18 am
by Going South
I would say BCCI lost the match rather than PCB won it. Luck is on PCB side. All the major action is linked more to luck rather than skill. I doubt if these young PCB players make their name against other teams/tours too, Amir being an exception. Some how playing against BCCI would bring best out of PCB players but also it brought out worst in BCCI players that otherwise are genuinely skilled players.

It sure do a lot of good to PCB as organization and a boost to its ailing bench strength from first class cricket. It's indeed a dream come true, who waited for it after decades of drought. Best wishes & congratulations.

Is it kumble's decision to play Ashwin instead of another seamer that made the difference in the game? Did jadeja played selfishly or an innocent mistake ? Is Kohli really that bad player who is suspect against outside offstump line or is it just one off fluke good ball that nobody can play? Is rohit sharma good against only minnows? Did dhoni influenced Kohli to take some bad decisions? Is it end of dhoni era who would be replaced with karthik etc who are waiting for a long time ?
Questions questions only time has all the answers.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:54 am
by raja
Going South wrote:I would say BCCI lost the match rather than PCB won it. Luck is on PCB side. All the major action is linked more to luck rather than skill. I doubt if these young PCB players make their name against other teams/tours too, Amir being an exception. Some how playing against BCCI would bring best out of PCB players but also it brought out worst in BCCI players that otherwise are genuinely skilled players.

It sure do a lot of good to PCB as organization and a boost to its ailing bench strength from first class cricket. It's indeed a dream come true, who waited for it after decades of drought. Best wishes & congratulations.

Is it kumble's decision to play Ashwin instead of another seamer that made the difference in the game? Did jadeja played selfishly or an innocent mistake ? Is Kohli really that bad player who is suspect against outside offstump line or is it just one off fluke good ball that nobody can play? Is rohit sharma good against only minnows? Did dhoni influenced Kohli to take some bad decisions? Is it end of dhoni era who would be replaced with karthik etc who are waiting for a long time ?
Questions questions only time has all the answers.


If a bowler constantly bowl no-balls, it's the bowler's problem. Can't say it's opposition's good luck.
If a batsman doesn't run and, in the process, runs out the last-hope-batsman, it's his fault. Not the opposition's good luck.
If a team has hyped up batsmen who are totally exposed while facing quality bowling, it's the team's failing. Not the opposition's good luck.

BCCI were COMPREHENSIVELY outplayed on Sunday.

Yes, maybe these Pakistani players struggle against other sides. But that only shows BCCI in poor light.

I don't know if it was Kumble's decision to play Ashwin. How do we know it was not Kohli's?
Jadeja had a momentary lapse of judgment, I think. I wouldn't call him selfish.
Yes, Kohli is suspect to the ball angling away outside the off-stump. He almost seems to be compulsively obsessed with playing at it.
Yes, Rohit is a minnow-basher.
No, I wouldn't blame Dhoni for influencing Kohli.
If there's a suitable replacement for Dhoni, maybe time to try him out. I don't rate Karthik. Dhoni's keeping is far superior to Karthik's. And Dhoni's batting might not be as fluent as it once was but he's still better than Karthik. Or Parthiv.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:18 am
by Going South
Well. They are not bad bowlers & bad batsmen. They did play good in previous matches but stress got to them to make silly mistakes. All runouts involve an element of luck. Of all the balls bowled it's bad luck that a wicket fall on a no ball, not before or not after.

You talk as if Kohli is a school kid who does not know how to play cricket ? Based on what ? One match ? Give me a break. Kohli did play good on many occasions and did defend or score on outside off balls. He is no kid. Have some respect. I think it's one of those bad luck moment to him that he got out to such a ball. It DOES NOT mean Kohli is a bad batsmen with a flaw. Get over it. Don't over do it and act like a hater.

Agree on rohit being a minnow basher. The more I see him more he fails when needed most but play huge score on easy winnable games.

Kumble is a spin bowler. He would twist too many hands to make place for 2 spinners in team thus resulting in excess baggage. I feel that Kohli is under pressure from kumble, dhoni, team management, Anushka, fan expectations thus effecting his concentration. The more I think on it the more I respect sachin who delivered in even more pressure cooker situations where he got substandard dumb players around him in team with no support.

Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:18 am
by Paddles
raja wrote:
Going South wrote:I would say BCCI lost the match rather than PCB won it. Luck is on PCB side. All the major action is linked more to luck rather than skill. I doubt if these young PCB players make their name against other teams/tours too, Amir being an exception. Some how playing against BCCI would bring best out of PCB players but also it brought out worst in BCCI players that otherwise are genuinely skilled players.

It sure do a lot of good to PCB as organization and a boost to its ailing bench strength from first class cricket. It's indeed a dream come true, who waited for it after decades of drought. Best wishes & congratulations.

Is it kumble's decision to play Ashwin instead of another seamer that made the difference in the game? Did jadeja played selfishly or an innocent mistake ? Is Kohli really that bad player who is suspect against outside offstump line or is it just one off fluke good ball that nobody can play? Is rohit sharma good against only minnows? Did dhoni influenced Kohli to take some bad decisions? Is it end of dhoni era who would be replaced with karthik etc who are waiting for a long time ?
Questions questions only time has all the answers.


If a bowler constantly bowl no-balls, it's the bowler's problem. Can't say it's opposition's good luck.
If a batsman doesn't run and, in the process, runs out the last-hope-batsman, it's his fault. Not the opposition's good luck.
If a team has hyped up batsmen who are totally exposed while facing quality bowling, it's the team's failing. Not the opposition's good luck.

BCCI were COMPREHENSIVELY outplayed on Sunday.

Yes, maybe these Pakistani players struggle against other sides. But that only shows BCCI in poor light.

I don't know if it was Kumble's decision to play Ashwin. How do we know it was not Kohli's?
Jadeja had a momentary lapse of judgment, I think. I wouldn't call him selfish.
Yes, Kohli is suspect to the ball angling away outside the off-stump. He almost seems to be compulsively obsessed with playing at it.
Yes, Rohit is a minnow-basher.
No, I wouldn't blame Dhoni for influencing Kohli.
If there's a suitable replacement for Dhoni, maybe time to try him out. I don't rate Karthik. Dhoni's keeping is far superior to Karthik's. And Dhoni's batting might not be as fluent as it once was but he's still better than Karthik. Or Parthiv.


I'll forever say that Dhoni is overated as a bat (be it due to average padding or a total inability to keep a sr within range of asking rate/par score rate) BUT noone is as good at stumpings, run outs or gathering and getting the bails off as Dhoni in recent international cricket. His glove and hand skills are unmatched at these tasks. He's uncannily good at this. Freak.

That said, Karthik or Uthappa right now would bring a lot more batting in my opinion. Karthik is prolly more suited to lower middle order than Uthappa, with Uthappa prolly idealing eyeing a higher batting spot.

Of course they may just chuck the gloves to Rahul. Which isn't a poor devision in my opinion neither.

In fact - if NZ give India a seamer or 2, can we get a left over limited overs keeper? I'd gleefully take any of Karthik, Uthappa or Rahul.