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ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:53 am

Champions Trophy 2017 Guide

Squads:http://www.cricket.com.au/news/champions-trophy-full-squads-2017-fixtures-australia-england-india-pakistan/2017-04-26

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/feature/ ... 2017-04-20

Group A: Australia, New Zealand, England, Bangladesh.

Group B: India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan.

Schedule

Warm-up matches

26 May – Australia v Sri Lanka, The Oval

27 May – Bangladesh v Pakistan, Edgbaston

28 May – India v New Zealand, The Oval

29 May – Australia v Pakistan, Edgbaston

30 May – New Zealand v Sri Lanka, Edgbaston

30 May – Bangladesh vs India, The Oval

Tournament

1 June – England v Bangladesh, The Oval (Day)

2 June – Australia v New Zealand, Edgbaston (D)

3 June – Sri Lanka v South Africa, The Oval (D)

4 June – India v Pakistan, Edgbaston (D)

5 June – Australia v Bangladesh, The Oval (D/N)

6 June – England v New Zealand, Cardiff (D)

7 June – Pakistan v South Africa, Edgbaston (D/N)

8 June – India v Sri Lanka, The Oval (D)

9 June – New Zealand v Bangladesh, Cardiff (D)

10 June – England v Australia, Edgbaston (D)

11 June – India v South Africa, The Oval (D)

12 June – Sri Lanka v Pakistan, Cardiff (D)

14 June – First semi-final (A1 v B2), Cardiff (D)

15 June – Second semi-final (A2 v B1), Edgbaston (D)

18 June – Final, The Oval (D)

19 June – Reserve day (D)
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:00 pm

I like England's chances of doing well, with this positive and fit ODI side playing at home. For the first time ever I think England are at least odds-even against any current team certainly at home, and could be favourites against several.

Would be disappointed to not make semis

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Misty » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:01 pm

India / England and Pakistan late in announcing team but BCCI in protest to pull out from CT over Rift with ICC
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:04 pm

Hah really? Well that makes it easier for us.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:34 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:I like England's chances of doing well, with this positive and fit ODI side playing at home. For the first time ever I think England are at least odds-even against any current team certainly at home, and could be favourites against several.

Would be disappointed to not make semis


I agree with that assessment Boycs.

Here is the England squad:
ENGLAND SQUAD FOR CHAMPIONS TROPHY AND SOUTH AFRICA SERIES: Eoin Morgan (c), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

ENGLAND SQUAD FOR IRELAND SERIES: Eoin Morgan (c), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Sam Billings, Ben Duckett, Steve Finn, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, David Willey, Mark Wood

I have to say for a major ODI meet not to have their two top bowlers in Stu Broad and James Anderson is rather odd and could well backfire. Note the Aussie squad..fewer all rounders and all our top line Test bowlers. The Saffers have also picked their Test bowlers other than Steyn.. is he in semi retirement..where is he?

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:38 am

Misty wrote:India / England and Pakistan late in announcing team but BCCI in protest to pull out from CT over Rift with ICC

What rift is this Misty?

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Misty » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:42 am

DS missed selection he is not fit.Broad wants to play but Selector do not wants him.Anderson probably either retired in ODI or not considered for 60 ball per match format.

I think wood is too good, great selection but Footit or Curran (any) could better selection.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Misty » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:57 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Misty wrote:India / England and Pakistan late in announcing team but BCCI in protest to pull out from CT over Rift with ICC

What rift is this Misty?



ICC Vs BCCI
Until June 2016,IND./AUS/ENG were the only nation (big three) who gained 99% profits from total income ICC distribute,but ICC do not wants to pay 20% to India no longer.ICC's new mantra '' no more big three"

ICC wants all cricket playing Nation Equal funds, which sounds good but India claimed ICC GAINED ALL INCOME JUST FROM INDIA AS MUCH AS 50.98%.

Until June 2016, ICC paid India, 20% but do not wants to pay now.(Recently India not paid Daily allowances of 50 dollar to eng,ban and Aus players during their test visits to India.BCCI BROKE)

Last night meeting in Dubai,ICC offer India Further 100 Million to settle and announce their team of 15 but India denied to accept the offer, they stick with 20% or pull out from CT.APRIL 25, the last day to announce team.every country including Pakistan announced their teams except India.

I wish India pull out

Why?

So WI gained Automatic entry in CT.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Misty » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:03 am

According to ICC ODI Ranking, WI stands number 9.so first 8 team will be qualify for CT 2017
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:11 am

Misty wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:What rift is this Misty?



ICC Vs BCCI
Until June 2016,IND./AUS/ENG were the only nation (big three) who gained 99% profits from total income ICC distribute,but ICC do not wants to pay 20% to India no longer.ICC's new mantra '' no more big three"

ICC wants all cricket playing Nation Equal funds, which sounds good but India claimed ICC GAINED ALL INCOME JUST FROM INDIA AS MUCH AS 50.98%.

Until June 2016, ICC paid India, 20% but do not wants to pay now.(Recently India not paid Daily allowances of 50 dollar to eng,ban and Aus players during their test visits to India.BCCI BROKE)

Last night meeting in Dubai,ICC offer India Further 100 Million to settle and announce their team of 15 but India denied to accept the offer, they stick with 20% or pull out from CT.APRIL 25, the last day to announce team.every country including Pakistan announced their teams except India.

I wish India pull out

Why?

So WI gained Automatic entry in CT.

So basicly it is all about BCCI power and greed and not about the betterment of our great game.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:13 am

Misty wrote:DS missed selection he is not fit.Broad wants to play but Selector do not wants him.Anderson probably either retired in ODI or not considered for 60 ball per match format.

I think wood is too good, great selection but Footit or Curran (any) could better selection.

Wish you would not always abbreviate names . Who is DS?

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:30 am

Interesting to note that the last time England hosted a Champions Trophy India were victorious. England were runners up. The last time they hosted a WC in 1999 Australia won on that occasion. England failed to make the Super stage. So England's home record is not all that flash.. at least recently. England also has yet to win a Champions Trophy.
1998: South Africa

2000: New Zealand

2002: Sri Lanka & India (final washed out, replay washed out)

2004: West Indies

2006: Australia

2009: Australia

2013: India
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:35 am

I hold out strong hopes for Aussie success this time round after proving in the 1999 WC that they can be successful in ODI in English conditions. After a slow start the Wattyls powered home to firstly win that thriller in the semi over the Saffers and then thumped Pakistan in the final.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby squarecut » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:57 am

I hope BCCI pulls out of Champions Trophy just this one time. Rules allow teams to pull out.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:40 am

This is an update of squads. All there bar India. http://www.cricket.com.au/news/champion ... 2017-04-26

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Mick180461 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:07 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Interesting to note that the last time England hosted a Champions Trophy India were victorious. England were runners up. The last time they hosted a WC in 1999 Australia won on that occasion. England failed to make the Super stage. So England's home record is not all that flash.. at least recently. England also has yet to win a Champions Trophy.
1998: South Africa

2000: New Zealand

2002: Sri Lanka & India (final washed out, replay washed out)

2004: West Indies

2006: Australia

2009: Australia

2013: India

Who won last time Australia hosted it. Um, um er, give me a chance I'll think of it, was it .... no thats not it. Oh thats right we haven't. One co-hosted ICC Comp in 25 yrs, thats BS.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Leo » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:42 am

The best Final was in 2004, where West Indies won by scoring 71 runs in last wicket.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Paddles » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:16 am

Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Interesting to note that the last time England hosted a Champions Trophy India were victorious. England were runners up. The last time they hosted a WC in 1999 Australia won on that occasion. England failed to make the Super stage. So England's home record is not all that flash.. at least recently. England also has yet to win a Champions Trophy.
1998: South Africa

2000: New Zealand

2002: Sri Lanka & India (final washed out, replay washed out)

2004: West Indies

2006: Australia

2009: Australia

2013: India

Who won last time Australia hosted it. Um, um er, give me a chance I'll think of it, was it .... no thats not it. Oh thats right we haven't. One co-hosted ICC Comp in 25 yrs, thats BS.


CA didn't and prolly still don't want it. Its typically been a money loser for the host. Unlike the world cup - it lacks tourism boost for host. England saved the event by making it profitable and limiting it to a few grounds. EWCB is happy to take it on, which is great for outside Big 3 nations. This event is all about much needed icc revenue generation, most from broadcasting and they take most of the pie. Fans in the crowd make it a better viewing spectacle. Terrible timezone for NZ and Australian cricket fans, but we have footy to watch.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:30 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Misty wrote:DS missed selection he is not fit.Broad wants to play but Selector do not wants him.Anderson probably either retired in ODI or not considered for 60 ball per match format.

I think wood is too good, great selection but Footit or Curran (any) could better selection.

Wish you would not always abbreviate names . Who is DS?


I think he is referring to Dale Steyn

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:29 am

We can only guess Boycs. You are likely spot on all the same.
Are you happy with the England squad?

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:37 pm

I think Jimmy is being prioritised for Tests but I'd still like to think Broad has some skill at ODI cricket.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Paddles » Tue May 02, 2017 2:43 am

If BCCI do to miss the Champions Trophy, do the West Indies take their spot, or do Pakistan, SL and SA get default wins?
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Tue May 02, 2017 10:04 am

I think it would be better to slot WI in rather than unfairly skew a results table with default wins. It's a shame WI were teetering on the edge of non-qualification anyway, though I appreciate it's their own fault.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Katto » Mon May 08, 2017 4:45 am

Where is this being played?

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Mon May 08, 2017 10:08 am

England

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 11:35 am

This is one of those rare moments where BCCI actually favored the game of cricket rather than act on ego or money for "magnanimously" agreeing to bring part of this cricket festival. Kudos.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 11:38 am

I don't care about harbhajan Singh but feel for gambhir & rohit sharma being over looked compared to their replacements esp shikar dhawan ! Really??? Hope he proves everyone wrong. Good luck bro.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Mon May 08, 2017 2:45 pm

Going South wrote:This is one of those rare moments where BCCI actually favored the game of cricket rather than act on ego or money for "magnanimously" agreeing to bring part of this cricket festival. Kudos.


I don't know if making a massive public deal about not committing until the very last moment is favouring the game rather than acting on ego or money. I'd say just sending a team along with all the other teams would be doing that.

Otherwise it's just "aw okay fine we'll come, but I want you all to know we're not happy about this! Hmph!"

It's faux-compliance, one might argue.

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Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Going South » Mon May 08, 2017 4:37 pm

Yes it is. This came unexpected even though their overconfidence and arrogance did not see it coming. There very little time react as they are already half way through this quagmire. I can sure shot expect next international series going to be effected if it's not played in India.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby raja » Tue May 09, 2017 3:25 am

Going South wrote:Here is CT squad

Squad: Virat Kohli (capt), Shikhar Dhawan, Rohit Sharma, Ajinkya Rahane, Mahendra Singh Dhoni (wk), Yuvraj Singh, Kedar Jadhav, Hardik Pandya, Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Jasprit Bumrah, Manish Pandey


I thought the squad looked OK - then I noticed Ajinkya Rahane in it.
Ok, it's not T20, so it's still not THAT disastrous a decision - but I'm not convinced there aren't better options.

If he's fluent, Rahane will get a 52 off 73.
In today's ODI world, not good enough.
Run-a-ball is minimum.

If he's not fluent, expect Rahane to eat deliveries, getting 7 off 16.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Tue May 09, 2017 4:58 am

Swann is touting England as favourites to win. Not sure I'd go that far, I don't have as much confidence in our bowling as perhaps he does, but I'm expecting us to be competitive up to perhaps semi finals.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Paddles » Tue May 09, 2017 7:00 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Swann is touting England as favourites to win. Not sure I'd go that far, I don't have as much confidence in our bowling as perhaps he does, but I'm expecting us to be competitive up to perhaps semi finals.


South Africa was my favourite a long way out. But England is looking good. The squad looks sharp. Root is magnificent, Morgan is in form, Stokes and Woakes give all round balance with Ali or Rashid; Bairstow in form could make way for Buttler, and then your seamers are playing at home. Roy and Hales start with aggressive intent, and if not dismissed cheaply, the game moves along rapidly. Even if they go cheap, Root and Morgan keep the foot down anyway. Buttler only knows one way. As does Stokes. England is no easy beat now in odi cricket.

Australia are the dark horse, all teams want Smith and Warner out before the damage is done, but Australia could well unleash a 4 prong pace attack in the bowling department, with Maxwell and Stoinis (if not injured) or Henriques (fav) in support.

NZ ought to be up there to make it a "pool of death", but we're struggling to find a wicket keeper bat and have Corey bowl his 10 overs. So the NZ team balance is shot. A KW or Guptil cameo is on any day, but I'm not confident in the side overall at the moment.

Australia, England South Africa are my semi's favourites and favourites to win with SA #1, and Eng and Aus #2=. India will prolly edge out SL and Pakistan for the remaining position.

Hope NZ makes it and I like the underdogs like Bangladesh and SL getting upset wins.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Katto » Tue May 09, 2017 7:03 am

Australia doesnt like playing in England.

my pick is Pakistan

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby raja » Tue May 09, 2017 7:15 am

England all the way.
Not one chink in their squad.
Every player is in good form, every player is an attacking player, capable of an SR of 150-200, even in ODIs.
They bat all the way down to 11, though nos. 8-11 are unlikely to be called upon to bat.

Their bowling, in English conditions, is just outstanding.

Other teams struggle in these conditions, playing against the moving ball.

England should field 10 teams. I reckon an England J team (their 10th team) is still better than the best of the others.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Paddles » Tue May 09, 2017 8:55 am

raja wrote:England all the way.
Not one chink in their squad.
Every player is in good form, every player is an attacking player, capable of an SR of 150-200, even in ODIs.
They bat all the way down to 11, though nos. 8-11 are unlikely to be called upon to bat.

Their bowling, in English conditions, is just outstanding.

Other teams struggle in these conditions, playing against the moving ball.

England should field 10 teams. I reckon an England J team (their 10th team) is still better than the best of the others.


Yeah - this is possibly the best specialized England ODI team since their 1992 team. They really are on course for the next world cup, which was their goal after their 2015 debacle.

But Safrica for me are just a bit better. de Kock is growing in stature; Morris and Pretorious with more allround support in Phelgmkwayo and Parnell batting better et al plugs a previous whole. The weak links like Behardien have been dropped from the playing XI. There's the class of Rabada and Tahir, Morkel as well, and the excellence of Amla and his majesty, ABDV. Even without Steyn and Abbot they dropped Philander.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Tue May 09, 2017 9:37 am

Is Elgar in their ODI team? He's had good one day form in the RL cup with two centuries and a ninety I believe

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Paddles » Tue May 09, 2017 10:42 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Is Elgar in their ODI team? He's had good one day form in the RL cup with two centuries and a ninety I believe


Not ideally.

They open up with Amla and de Kock. Faf I think is 3. Then ABDV could be at 4 (or lower). Duminy plays around here at 4 and 5. 6 is typically Miller. then Pretorious and Morriss at 7 and 8. Then they may play either Morkel, Tahir and Rabada or another allrounder like Phelekwayo or Parnell and drop Morkel (or potentially Rabada). They have a second spin option the squad who looks useful.

But Miller is in shoddy form. So he is at risk of being dropped for either an allrounder or specialist batsman. Given Berhadien is the next best around, I think Miller will start in Champions Trophy. Either way - they will bat well to 8 at a minimum, and often to 9. For the bowling, there is a heap of seam options that are good plus Tahir's leg spinj. They're far more well balanced than their 2015 team. Morris and Pretorious with Phelekwayo and Parnell's improvement make them far stronger. Missing Steyn isn't much of an issue for their ODI team, truth be told.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Going South » Tue May 09, 2017 11:12 am

Oh. I read raja post as a troll post.
Don't fall for ANY of his posts praising England. He has an agenda.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Going South » Tue May 09, 2017 11:14 am

On my prediction I expect saffers do better than all teams only to fail at the final stages to a surprise back door entry (BCCI?)

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Misty » Sat May 20, 2017 5:09 pm

Going South wrote:On my prediction I expect saffers do better than all teams only to fail at the final stages to a surprise back door entry (BCCI?)


Wayne Parnell open yesterday and hits 61 while ,Kock, your most likable player hits 104 in England, Duminy did good with bats too.
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby sadhzcn » Sat May 20, 2017 7:10 pm

India have included Dinesh Karthik in their squad for the Champions Trophy as a replacement for Manish Pandey, who has been ruled out with a left side strain. Pandey sustained the injury during a Kolkata Knight Riders practice session ahead of their IPL Eliminator against Sunrisers Hyderabad on Wednesday.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champio ... 98362.html

with that you can also see ICC Champions Trophy 2017 Full Teams Squads List

http://www.iccchampionstrophy2017live.c ... -list.html

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Boycs » Sat May 20, 2017 8:03 pm

Misty wrote:
Going South wrote:On my prediction I expect saffers do better than all teams only to fail at the final stages to a surprise back door entry (BCCI?)


Wayne Parnell open yesterday and hits 61 while ,Kock, your most likable player hits 104 in England, Duminy did good with bats too.


Ahhhh Duminy. What will we think of him when his career ends. In one day cricket he's done fairly well to be fair. But bit tired of thinking at the start of every season "will this be the one?" It's a bit like when you fancy Bangladeshi chances at he opening game of each season.

Pretty forgettable numbers of late

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Mick180461 » Thu May 25, 2017 2:04 am

This trophy is wide open, the only 2 teams i can't see being in with a chance are Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, neither has the pace attack. On form you would not rate Pakistan but never right them off. Don't forget this is played with the Kookaburra White ball so i would not take to much notice of previous form in English conditions.
In case anyone wants to talk about Australia's most recent 50 over form in England v England of the last 15 ODIs played in England Australia has won 11. Makes a mockery of any claims that Australia's recent record is poor.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby squarecut » Thu May 25, 2017 4:44 am

England or Australia look like winning it.

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Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Postby Boycs » Thu May 25, 2017 7:35 pm

"England have no weaknesses" says Kohli!!!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champio ... 99428.html

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Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Postby Going South » Fri May 26, 2017 3:10 pm

BCCI & other Asian countries should ask ECB to ensure safely of their cricketers and provide enough security. Officially.

I was thinking had the Manchester like tragedy happen in Asia just before World Cup imagine the amount of noise England, Australia & newzealand would make.

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Re: ICC Champions Trophy: June 1-18, 2017 in England

Postby Boycs » Fri May 26, 2017 4:11 pm

I wonder what that means. "Ensure my safety". So they wouldn't have done without being asked first? Or does asking suddenly trigger a whole new level of resources that were previously just shut in some garage somewhere? Or does asking mean that, if something does happen, they can then take legal action afterwards because they'd asked for their safety to be "ensured."

Pretty sure safety of the public at sporting events, along with other public events, is paramount. Regardless who public asks for a safety assurance.

Felt the same when England said similar to Bangladesh. "We are officially asking you to ensure you protect or players" well no Effing shit?! Did you think they'd just go "f**k it they didn't ask to be protected?"

I don't get people sometimes. :(

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon May 29, 2017 2:24 am

Mick That is impressive 11 out of 15 ODI wins on English soil. I never write off the Aussies and non of the sides here will either. Sri Lanka does have Lasith Malinga. In my book that makes them a dangerous attack. I have the Baggies playing the Saffers in the final. England will get bundled out in the semis.

Tonite's warm up at Edgbaston sees one boundary a tiny 42 mtrs. Power hitters Chris Lynn and Aaron Finch will be looking to send a few out of the ground I should imagine. At the very least there could be a few smashed windscreens in the car park.

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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby Misty » Tue May 30, 2017 2:07 am

squarecut wrote:England or Australia look like winning it.

None will win in the final
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Re: Champions Trophy 2017

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue May 30, 2017 2:08 am

Boycs can you tell me was their anything in the deck for the quicks in the England v Saffer match yesterday? If there was not good signs for your boys. I rate only Root and Bairstow as having good solid techniques against the moving quick ball. Robarda made a mess of your top order. It is all very well stacking your side with strokemakers or flat trackers but you also have to have someone that can occuply the crease should there be a disasterous start.


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