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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Katto » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:06 am

good declaration by Voges :lol:

got it spot on

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:48 am

baggygreenmania wrote:gut wrenching!!! :lmao:

So why are you laughing Baggers, :crybaby: this is the right one.
Go the Redbacks in the Final, hate them Vics.

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Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:06 am

Looks a great performance by Ashton Turner 6/111, maybe if Smith doesn't think Maxwell can bowl, send him to India. We need some batsman who are the best in Australia and can bowl a bit. We have always had a couple of our best batsman who can bowl.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Katto » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:32 pm

brothers seem to be an asset in this regard
eg Waugh bros, Chappell bros, Hussey bros

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:07 pm

The sheffield shield season team of the year only stipulation have had to played 5 matches

Joe Burns 724 runs (av 40.22) bowling average 32 (only 1 wicket, but he does have an average so it counts)
Ed Cowan 959 runs (av 73.76)
Hilton Catwright 861 runs (av 53.81) 7 wickets av 64 (didn't realize his av was so high)
Moises Henriques 775 runs (av 64.58) (did he take any wickets this year?)
George Bailey 839 av (59.92)
Jack Wildermuth 518 av 32.37 20 wickets av 31.35 (not that I would put an all-rounder at 6 but the Australian selectors do)
Chris Hartley 535 runs av 76.42 (again!)
Chris Tremain 42 wkts av 17.52
Jason Behrendorff 37 wkts av 17.59
Chadd Sayers 54 wkts av 19.20
Jon Holland 42 wkts av 21.11

For Cowan Bailey and Hartley to still be in the top side says there may be a bit of a concern with the up and coming youth. The selectors will be so happy to see Hartley retire, now they can put their pets in with no comparison.

Surprise packets for me this year Jake Lehmann, the bubble still hasn't burst, Tom Cooper nothing like a late developer, Ashton Turner good batting average of 53, and took a few wickets, Cameron Green

Biggest disappointments Faulkner, Head, Bancroft, Mark Steketee, Cameron Stevenson, Trent Copeland, Marcus Stoinis, Nic Maddinson. Harry Conway with all your build up Baggers only 11 wickets at 36 you left me disappointed, not Harry.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:43 pm

The last 3 so called Allrounders picked for Australia have bowled a total of 13 overs in 4 tests, someone forgot to tell Steve Smith they are Allrounders, got no probs with that when the attack does its job.
I would have Ashton Turner in front of Wildermuth Mike, with Cartwright in the side you don't need an allrounder.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:49 pm

Katto wrote:brothers seem to be an asset in this regard
eg Waugh bros, Chappell bros, Hussey bros

Sorry Mike Hussey as a bowler in the same sentence as G Chappell & the Waughs?

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Postby MikeR68 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:53 pm

It was a toss up between Turner and Wildermuth, just Turner's bowling average of 40 gave Wildermuth the edge as a bowling all-rounder, but if batting all-rounder then Turner. Personally I am surprised by Cartwright's bowling average, I'm thinking it's his batting that should get him the nod and not be regarded as an all-rounder definite No 6 batsman for Australia with the ability to roll the arm over, but don't expect wickets, they would be a bonus.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:27 am

Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:gut wrenching!!! :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:

So why are you laughing Baggers, :crybaby: this is the right one.
Go the Redbacks in the Final, hate them Vics.

Those blues things are they not tears? Or have I got it wrong. Yes I have. Egg on face. Hows that.

I too will be supporting the Redbacks. Expect another boring game as the Vics only have to draw the match to win the penant. God that is a inane rule.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:32 am

Mick180461 wrote:Looks a great performance by Ashton Turner 6/111, maybe if Smith doesn't think Maxwell can bowl, send him to India. We need some batsman who are the best in Australia and can bowl a bit. We have always had a couple of our best batsman who can bowl.

Ashton Turner is starting to come of age. I did not think he had a five for in his armory. Proved me wrong. Is also in the top 10 of the batting table. CA must have seen something in him when they picked him to replace an injured Ashton Agar in the 2012 U19 WC. That is one they have got correct.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:35 am

MikeR68 wrote:It was a toss up between Turner and Wildermuth, just Turner's bowling average of 40 gave Wildermuth the edge as a bowling all-rounder, but if batting all-rounder then Turner. Personally I am surprised by Cartwright's bowling average, I'm thinking it's his batting that should get him the nod and not be regarded as an all-rounder definite No 6 batsman for Australia with the ability to roll the arm over, but don't expect wickets, they would be a bonus.

Exactly as I see Cartwright's role in the baggy green Mike. Do not make him into an all rounder. He is a batsman who just happens to bowl handy medium pace.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:46 am

Some handy Med Pace would have been handy yesterday in Ranchi, the Aussie bowlers would have been worn out by mid afternoon, when the 3rd new ball would have been taken, Cummins & Hazlewood would have bowled 8-10 less overs each, that can make a difference. I know i go on about that 5th bowling option but yesterday proved my point (the captain still has to use him though). Smith has even stopped using Marsh to a fair degree, even though he has done some real damage with the ball at times. I just don't understand Smith at present, his captaincy seems to be going backwards. I doubt any 4 man frontline attack has bowled over 200 overs before without some help from the batsman.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:48 am

Harry let me down too Mike. But was given limited chances. Not easy to get momentum of rythm. Raw but plenty to work with. Selectors must give him full rein next season. Spot on with your SHIELD Team of the Year mate. Kane Richardson has a good case for a bowling spot. As does Nevill for Hartley. I too see the lack of young batsmen in the top 10. Unlike last season when, what was the tally ..something like 13 centuries by players 23 under. The oldies dominated the century stakes this year.
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Mick180461 wrote:Some handy Med Pace would have been handy yesterday in Ranchi, the Aussie bowlers would have been worn out by mid afternoon, when the 3rd new ball would have been taken, Cummins & Hazlewood would have bowled 8-10 less overs each, that can make a difference. I know i go on about that 5th bowling option but yesterday proved my point (the captain still has to use him though). Smith has even stopped using Marsh to a fair degree, even though he has done some real damage with the ball at times. I just don't understand Smith at present, his captaincy seems to be going backwards. I doubt any 4 man frontline attack has bowled over 200 overs before without some help from the batsman.

Mick I too am noticing some chinks in Smith's captaincy armor. Will taking the reins from him be like cutting Samson's long locks. Would he suddenly lose that superhuman batting that has become his trademark? He seems to strive on being leader. Removing that is something I do not want to risk. Do you?

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

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baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:So why are you laughing Baggers, :crybaby: this is the right one.
Go the Redbacks in the Final, hate them Vics.

Those blues things are they not tears? Or have I got it wrong. Yes I have. Egg on face. Hows that.

I too will be supporting the Redbacks. Expect another boring game as the Vics only have to draw the match to win the penant. God that is a inane rule.

Laughing can cause tears as well mate. What other rule would be fair? Victoria have proved to be the best side this Summer with a pretty comfortable lead on the Ladder. The Vics won it last year away from home, so don't write off the Redbacks yet. Theres only been a handfull of Shield Finals where the home side attempted to bat for 5 days. This will be the last "Away" home final for the Vics as Junction oval will be ready next season.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:07 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:Some handy Med Pace would have been handy yesterday in Ranchi, the Aussie bowlers would have been worn out by mid afternoon, when the 3rd new ball would have been taken, Cummins & Hazlewood would have bowled 8-10 less overs each, that can make a difference. I know i go on about that 5th bowling option but yesterday proved my point (the captain still has to use him though). Smith has even stopped using Marsh to a fair degree, even though he has done some real damage with the ball at times. I just don't understand Smith at present, his captaincy seems to be going backwards. I doubt any 4 man frontline attack has bowled over 200 overs before without some help from the batsman.

Mick I too am noticing some chinks in Smith's captaincy armor. Will taking the reins from him be like cutting Samson's long locks. Would he suddenly lose that superhuman batting that has become his trademark? He seems to strive on being leader. Removing that is something I do not want to risk. Do you?

I don't think Smith is in any danger of loosing the Captaincy, this is one of the problems with the set up with the side for the last 30 yrs or so. In the old days the next Captain would get 2-3 seasons of Shield Captaincy under his belt before becomming Test Captain, the last i can remember to get that is Mark Taylor and they would learn without the pressure Cooker of test Cricket. Smith has done very little Captaincy before getting the Australian job. Unfortunately Michael Clarke pulling the plug early did Smith no favours, he wasn't even Clarkes Vice Captain, Haddin was. Don't be surprised if Stoinis comes in for Shaun Marsh for the 4th test if Maxwells not bowling.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:12 am

Top Century makers season 2016/17.

Ed Cowan 3 / top score 212
Peter Nevill 3 / top score 176*
Hilton Cartwright 2 / top score 170*
George Bailey 2 / top score 200*
Moises Henriques 2 / top score 265
Joe Burns 2 /top score 129
Callum Ferguson 2 / top score 103
Ashton Turner 2 / top score 110
Tom Cooper 2 / top score 138
Jon Wells 2 / top score 120
Cameron Bancroft 2 / top score 104

That list accentuates how the older players.. some veterans have dominated this year.
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Guy's you're being too hard on Smith. He can only work with what he's got. Slowly things will turn around. Selectors have hamstrung him. They put Warner and Marsh Bros in, They waited till Starc was injured to get a quality bowler over there. They picked 2 off spinners that have no variation to each other, not even trying Swepson as an example. And nothing is going to change for the Ashes, Warner will still be in, Starc will come straight back into the side, Lyon or O'keefe will be chosen, it would never occur to them to go with 4 prong pace attack. They will continue playing an all-rounder at 6 and it won't be Cartwright. They'll keep choosing obscure selections such as Maddinson or Stonis. I would like to see selection panel of 6 1 from each state with a chairman. Harder to make deals, and get quality ex-players Qld Hayden, WA Langer, SA Gillespie, Vic Warne, NSW Steve Waugh, Tas Ponting, they only have to watch a shield game and put selection choices up and they can hash it out. Warne V S Waugh I'd pay money to see that. :popcorn:

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Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:16 am

MikeR68 wrote:It was a toss up between Turner and Wildermuth, just Turner's bowling average of 40 gave Wildermuth the edge as a bowling all-rounder, but if batting all-rounder then Turner. Personally I am surprised by Cartwright's bowling average, I'm thinking it's his batting that should get him the nod and not be regarded as an all-rounder definite No 6 batsman for Australia with the ability to roll the arm over, but don't expect wickets, they would be a bonus.

Yesterday could be about a growing maturity & confidence in his game for Ashton Turner, knowing his spot is safe and secure, he probably bowled without any pressure to perform, like in all sports how you feel in yourself is a big factor to success.

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:17 am

MikeR68 wrote:Guy's you're being too hard on Smith. He can only work with what he's got. Slowly things will turn around. Selectors have hamstrung him. They put Warner and Marsh Bros in, They waited till Starc was injured to get a quality bowler over there. They picked 2 off spinners that have no variation to each other, not even trying Swepson as an example. And nothing is going to change for the Ashes, Warner will still be in, Starc will come straight back into the side, Lyon or O'keefe will be chosen, it would never occur to them to go with 4 prong pace attack. They will continue playing an all-rounder at 6 and it won't be Cartwright. They'll keep choosing obscure selections such as Maddinson or Stonis. I would like to see selection panel of 6 1 from each state with a chairman. Harder to make deals, and get quality ex-players Qld Hayden, WA Langer, SA Gillespie, Vic Warne, NSW Steve Waugh, Tas Ponting, they only have to watch a shield game and put selection choices up and they can hash it out. Warne V S Waugh I'd pay money to see that. :popcorn:

Mike that last para is you talking real sense mate. I would also back your panel. Of course that would never occur to the head honchos of CA.

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Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:21 am

Qld and NSW are out so I've taken off my fishing hat, just for you Baggers, You're so lucky I am a catch and release fellow, Next year, every time I snare you I'll give you an hour ban on your posts.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

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Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Those blues things are they not tears? Or have I got it wrong. Yes I have. Egg on face. Hows that.

I too will be supporting the Redbacks. Expect another boring game as the Vics only have to draw the match to win the penant. God that is a inane rule.

Laughing can cause tears as well mate. What other rule would be fair? Victoria have proved to be the best side this Summer with a pretty comfortable lead on the Ladder. The Vics won it last year away from home, so don't write off the Redbacks yet. Theres only been a handfull of Shield Finals where the home side attempted to bat for 5 days. This will be the last "Away" home final for the Vics as Junction oval will be ready next season.

Yes laughing CAN also cause tears Mick.
'"What other rule would be fair"? Do the league minor premiers only have to draw the GF to win the comp. I could go thru 50 sports and the answer would be the same. So why is it different in cricket. Vics are getting a walk up start knowing they only have to draw the match. So much of the game's intensity and spectacle is lost. There should be a best of three game series to determine the winner in my view.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:31 am

MikeR68 wrote:Qld and NSW are out so I've taken off my fishing hat, just for you Baggers, You're so lucky I am a catch and release fellow, Next year, every time I snare you I'll give you an hour ban on your posts.


Thanx for the heads up Mike. I look forward to it all again next summer.

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Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:36 am

My major problem with Smith yesterday is why did Maxwell who has 56 FC Wkts only bowl 4 overs and Smith himself who has 65 FC wkts not bowl at all.

With the Regular Shield season over I'll have a go at a AUS A winter squad.
Captain : Head,
Batsman : Burns, Cartwright*, Harris, Lehmann, Patterson, Turner,
Keeper : Whiteman
Bowlers : Behrendorf, Holland, K Richardson, Sayers*, Tremain, Swepson*, Pattinson**, Agar*
Depending* on selection for the possible Banga tour.
How did i miss Pato**, almost a certain starter.
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Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:44 am

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Mick180461 wrote:Laughing can cause tears as well mate. What other rule would be fair? Victoria have proved to be the best side this Summer with a pretty comfortable lead on the Ladder. The Vics won it last year away from home, so don't write off the Redbacks yet. Theres only been a handfull of Shield Finals where the home side attempted to bat for 5 days. This will be the last "Away" home final for the Vics as Junction oval will be ready next season.

Yes laughing CAN also cause tears Mick.
'"What other rule would be fair"? Do the league minor premiers only have to draw the GF to win the comp. I could go thru 50 sports and the answer would be the same. So why is it different in cricket. Vics are getting a walk up start knowing they only have to draw the match. So much of the game's intensity and spectacle is lost. There should be a best of three game series to determine the winner in my view.

Draws are more common in Cricket, most sports don't have matches ruined by weather in the same way, it is the method used up until 82-83, one of the matches is washed out or finishes in a draw and the series is 1-1, what then?
Make the final a timeless match? If a side goes through a entire footy season undefeated then suffers a couple of bad injuries and lose the Final is that fair?

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Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:57 am

Good squad Mick. As at home or away this year?

My squad is:

Captain: Head* (Bailey)
Batsmen: Cartwright* (Bailey), Burns* (Wells), Ferguson* (Bancroft) , Lehmann* (Cooper), Patterson*( Harris/Hughes), Turner (reserve)
All Rounder: Wildermuth/Milenko.
Keeper: Whiteman* (Carey)
Bowlers: Richardson* (Moody), Pattinson* (Tremain) Sayers* (Mennie), Behrendorff* ( Rainbird), Swepson* (Somerville/Nair), Agar* (Holland)

How will a timeless match work. Please explain?

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Are you picking an Aus A squad Baggers or a 2nd 11? can't see Bailey, Ferguson & Cooper all being in an AUS A squad this winter, fact is can't see any of them in the squad.
If i was to pick a 2nd 11 team to replace the team from this tour because they had all died of food poisining or something, my team would be.
1. Cowan
2. Burns
3. Bailey(c)
4. Klinger
5. Head
6. Cartwright
7. Nevill
8. Pattinson
9. Behrendorf
10. Holland
11. Sayers.
But that side is only a short term fix and that is not the point about Aus A. Aus A is about developing players for the medium to long term.
Nothing organised yet as far as i know Baggers, only speculating on possibilities.

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Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:20 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Good squad Mick. As at home or away this year?

How will a timeless match work. Please explain?

Play till a result is achieved even if it takes 9 days. All tests in Australia up till WW2 were Timeless tests. The 5th test between SA & Eng in 1938-39 went for 9 1/2 days including a rest day, result : a Draw, the English who were 6/650 odd in the 2nd innings chasing 690 odd had to catch the boat back to England so the game had to be called off :mrgreen: . And that is what i call a Road.

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Mick180461 wrote:Are you picking an Aus A squad Baggers or a 2nd 11? can't see Bailey, Ferguson & Cooper all being in an AUS A squad this winter, fact is can't see any of them in the squad.
If i was to pick a 2nd 11 team to replace the team from this tour because they had all died of food poisining or something, my team would be.
1. Cowan
2. Burns
3. Bailey(c)
4. Klinger
5. Head
6. Cartwright
7. Nevill
8. Pattinson
9. Behrendorf
10. Holland
11. Sayers.
But that side is only a short term fix and that is not the point about Aus A. Aus A is about developing players for the medium to long term.
Nothing organised yet as far as i know Baggers, only speculating on possibilities.

I have lost you. My player with the asterisk is my first choice.. in brackets is second choice if first choice is unavailable. Where is the mystery?
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Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Good squad Mick. As at home or away this year?

How will a timeless match work. Please explain?

Play till a result is achieved even if it takes 9 days. All tests in Australia up till WW2 were Timeless tests. The 5th test between SA & Eng in 1938-39 went for 9 1/2 days including a rest day, result : a Draw, the English who were 6/650 odd in the 2nd innings chasing 690 odd had to catch the boat back to England so the game had to be called off :mrgreen: . And that is what i call a Road.

Till a result is achieved. Implies not a draw..correct? That is what I am saying. It would have been disappointing sitting thru that SAv Eng game for 9 long days for it to end in a call off.

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Postby Katto » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:48 am

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Katto wrote:brothers seem to be an asset in this regard
eg Waugh bros, Chappell bros, Hussey bros

Sorry Mike Hussey as a bowler in the same sentence as G Chappell & the Waughs?


better than what we have now

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Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:50 am

Ok my bad, now i understand. What do you think of my emergancy back up OZ side if tragedy struck (heaven forbid).
The Poms were just 41 runs away with 4 wkts in hand in pulling off a run chase that is 276 runs higher then the current record. Would have put every other win in test history in the shade.

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Postby Mick180461 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:52 am

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Mick180461 wrote:Sorry Mike Hussey as a bowler in the same sentence as G Chappell & the Waughs?


better than what we have now

Yea i would have Hussey a better med pacer than Warner, doesn't matter Smith won't bowl them anyway.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:56 am

Mick180461 wrote:Ok my bad, now i understand. What do you think of my emergancy back up OZ side if tragedy struck (heaven forbid).
The Poms were just 41 runs away with 4 wkts in hand in pulling off a run chase that is 276 runs higher then the current record. Would have put every other win in test history in the shade.

A good side because it has plenty of experience plus all the vets are in form.. something the current Indian side is not. Chappell's youth policy should have kicked in at a later date...for Bangladesh say. Or they should have gone with a half and half mixture for India like you have.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:10 pm

For Australia A I'm going to stick with a total youth policy, give them experience at a higher level to see how they go.

Burns
Weatherald
Cartwright
Head (Captain)
Lehmann
Turner
Carey (Whiteman if fit)
Pattinson
Behrendorf
Kane Richardson
Adam Zampa (I would like to see Swepson another year at 1st class level)

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:40 pm

Interesting thought Mick, Australia reserves, maybe prior to the Ashes a couple of FC games at Gabba and Sydney, the two extremes pitch conditions.
Australia Reserves (Matching the Australian side thus allrounder at 6)

Burns
Ed Cowan
Usman Khawaja
George Bailey (C)
Lehmann
Cartwright
Carey (Whiteman if fit)
Pattinson
Behrendorf
Bird/(Swepson for Sydney)
William Somerville

I'd go and see that game. As long as CA keep their grubby fingers off it, like they did when Australia V Australia A in the 50 over series some time ago 1995 I think it was, taking Australia A's Merv and Reiffel out of it so Australia wouldn't be embarrassed. Remember that series guys. A young Matt Hayden outclassing Taylor and Slater, Young Ponting and Langer for Australia A, G Blewett outplaying M Waugh, all against Australia's attack McDermott, McGrath, Fleming and Warne, and Australia played against a very second rate attack in Australia A in the final, Jo Angel was the No 1 bowler for Aus A, but I may be wrong there, memory starting to fade

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby MikeR68 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:58 pm

Just found the stats for that series It reads like a Who's Who of Australian cricket

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:08 am

Pattinson and Behrendorf are hardly youth.
My youth side (purely for experience and only if playing Bangladesh)
J Burns
S Heazlett
T Head (c)
H Cartwright
J Sangha
J Lehmann
A Carey (Whiteman if fit)
K Richardson
C Sayers
D Grant
A Nair

Reserves Ashton Turner, David Moody, Cameron Green, Jake Weatherald. Chadd Sayers is no youth but he deserves a tour for his country. He is my only sentimental selection.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:15 am

MikeR68 wrote:Just found the stats for that series It reads like a Who's Who of Australian cricket

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

Always backed the underdogs Aussie A. The top dogs spat the dummy and killed the the series after they were beaten several times by the underlings. Always of the opinion that our best up and comers being pitted against the country's best on a big stage was a great learning ground for them. Have great memories of those games.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:43 am

baggygreenmania wrote:Pattinson and Behrendorf are hardly youth.
My youth side (purely for experience and only if playing Bangladesh)
J Burns
S Heazlett
T Head (c)
P Handscomb (vc)
H Cartwright
J Lehmann
A Carey (Whiteman if fit)
K Richardson
C Sayers
D Moody
A Nair

Reserves Jason Sangha, David Grant, Cameron Green,Ashton Turner. Chadd Sayers is no youth but he deserves a tour for his country. He is my only sentimental selection.

If playing Bangladesh? They just beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, which we failed to do. The days of Bangladesh being the whipping boys are gone, the side we send to Bangladesh will be pretty much the same side that is in India (injured excluded) and expect a tough battle especially if they produce turing tracks, their spinners are better than ours.
Handscomb won't play for Aus A this winter especially if the Banga tour is on. Heazlet, maybe but he's comming of a poor Summer. Burns is older than Patto & Behrendorf. If the Banga tour goes ahead i think the paceman will be Starc(if fit), Hazlewood, Cummins, Bird(only if they take 4). The selectors may want to give Pattinson & Behrendorf some match bowling over winter and thats why they could be in the Aus A squad. They are both still med term prospects. Though rising 27 they have only played 45 & 29 FC games respectively, should still have plenty of Cricket in them.
I think your pretty close to the side. Though i think, Nair, Sangha, Green, Grant will probably be in the NPS squad this Winter, which is looking pretty strong as well.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:51 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
MikeR68 wrote:Just found the stats for that series It reads like a Who's Who of Australian cricket

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... tournament

Always backed the underdogs Aussie A. The top dogs spat the dummy and killed the the series after they were beaten several times by the underlings. Always of the opinion that our best up and comers being pitted against the country's best on a big stage was a great learning ground for them. Have great memories of those games.

The Aussie A team from that summer of 94-95
1. Hayden
2. Langer
3. Ponting
4. Lehmann
5. Martyn
6. Moody
7. Emery
8. Hughes
9. Reiffell
10. Robertson
11. Angel
No wonder they were so succesful, the sheer depth of young talent emerging in Australian Cricket at that time was phenomenonal, thats why that concept worked that summer.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Misty » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:53 am

what you guys think, Cowan get chance for Ashes?
Azheruddin hits 439 in his First 5 Test innings vs Attapatu, who scored ONE run in his first 6 test innings.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:05 am

Misty wrote:what you guys think, Cowan get chance for Ashes?

Doubtfull, he will be 35 and the selectors aren't really looking for top order bats right now, Khawaja should come back into the side for S Marsh for the Ashes, Warners spot is safe for the time being, till the very least after the Banga tour, Renshaws not going anywhere, i think Burns would be the next in line. Will depend a bit on SOS's form before then.
Cowan got a lot better run in the side than most with a mediocre record, 1001 runs@32 in 18 tests.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:06 am

We putting up a reserve side?

Ed Cowan
Joe Burns
George Bailey (c)
Usman Khawaja (vc)
Tom Cooper
Ashton Turner
Chris Hartley (bring him in out of retirment)
Ashton Agar
Jason Behrendorff
Kane Richardson
Chadd Sayers
Peter George (12)

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:12 am

baggygreenmania wrote:We putting up a reserve side?

Ed Cowan
Joe Burns
George Bailey (c)
Usman Khawaja (vc)
Tom Cooper
Ashton Turner
Chris Hartley (bring him in out of retirment)
Ashton Agar
Jason Behrendorff
Kane Richardson
Chadd Sayers
Peter George (12)

Haven't we done this exercise? thoght you would have Tremain in front of George. Yea not a bad side, plenty of experience in the batting but only 3 tests between the bowlers, i would have Pattinson in the side though, no Bird?

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:13 am

Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:Pattinson and Behrendorf are hardly youth.
My youth side (purely for experience and only if playing Bangladesh)
J Burns
S Heazlett
T Head (c)
P Handscomb (vc)
H Cartwright
J Lehmann
A Carey (Whiteman if fit)
K Richardson
David Grant
D Moody
A Nair

Reserves Jason Sangha, Cameron Green, Ashton Turner.
If playing Bangladesh? They just beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, which we failed to do. The days of Bangladesh being the whipping boys are gone, the side we send to Bangladesh will be pretty much the same side that is in India (injured excluded) and expect a tough battle especially if they produce turing tracks, their spinners are better than ours.
Handscomb won't play for Aus A this winter especially if the Banga tour is on. Heazlet, maybe but he's comming of a poor Summer. Burns is older than Patto & Behrendorf. If the Banga tour goes ahead i think the paceman will be Starc(if fit), Hazlewood, Cummins, Bird(only if they take 4). The selectors may want to give Pattinson & Behrendorf some match bowling over winter and thats why they could be in the Aus A squad. They are both still med term prospects. Though rising 27 they have only played 45 & 29 FC games respectively, should still have plenty of Cricket in them.
I think your pretty close to the side. Though i think, Nair, Sangha, Green, Grant will probably be in the NPS squad this Winter, which is looking pretty strong as well.

I removed Handscomb.. but obviously too late. A youth team for playing a minnow side (hypothetical Mick). I would like to see youngsters like Nair, Sangha, Grant and Green blooded internationally sooner rather than later. Non hypothetically.. the next A tour to out shores.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:17 am

Mick180461 wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:We putting up a reserve side?

Ed Cowan
Joe Burns
George Bailey (c)
Usman Khawaja (vc)
Tom Cooper
Ashton Turner
Chris Hartley (bring him in out of retirment)
Ashton Agar
Jason Behrendorff
Kane Richardson
Chadd Sayers
Peter George (12)

Haven't we done this exercise? thoght you would have Tremain in front of George. Yea not a bad side, plenty of experience in the batting but only 3 tests between the bowlers, i would have Pattinson in the side though, no Bird?

Dunno mate. Mike hat a shot so I did too. Yes I did forget Tremain. George is always there or thereabouts. Much like Luke Feldman. Good honest bowlers.Will give 100% every time. Birdy is in our top squad? Patto is in my A side. Or is he. forgot.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:30 am

Misty wrote:what you guys think, Cowan get chance for Ashes?

No Misty. Ed's time has come and gone. Before this youth policy came in I would have said Ed and George Bailey both had a chance at another shot. But Greg Chappell is backing youth. Not a bad idea as we have some exciting talent coming thru like we had in that 94/95 A side. The nucleus of that side played a big part in the domination of world cricket a few years later.
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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:32 am

:hatsoff:
baggygreenmania wrote:
Mick180461 wrote:

I removed Handscomb.. but obviously too late. A youth team for playing a minnow side (hypothetical Mick). I would like to see youngsters like Nair, Sangha, Heazlett, Grant and Green blooded internationally sooner rather than later. Non hypothetically.. the next A tour to out shores.

Last years NPS squad played a quadrangler series against Aus A, SA A & India A, so they got some international experience. From that squad 2 players have made their test debut (Renshaw, Cartwright) 1 other player is in the tour squad (Swepson) 1 player has played ODI(Heazlet) and only 1 has yet to make his State debut (Hinchcliffe). Not a bad strike rate :hatsoff: to the people who picked them.
I would like to see the ICC come up with a U22 WC, to big a jump from U19 to International Cricket.

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Re: Australian Domestic Cricket season

Postby Mick180461 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:37 am

baggygreenmania wrote:
Misty wrote:what you guys think, Cowan get chance for Ashes?

No Misty. Ed's time has come and gone. Before this youth policy came in I would have said Ed and George Bailey both had a chance at another shot. But Greg Chappell is backing youth. Not a bad idea as we have some exciting talent coming thru like we had in that 94/95 A side. The nucleus of that side played a big part in the domination of world cricket we later enjoyed.

Lets be honest about this, the selectors have struck glold with Renshaw & Handscomb, they both have looked like they belong in Test Cricket from day 1. Maddinson was a mistake and can't work out what Cartwright done wrong but other than that.


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