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EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby Paddles » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:02 am

Do English and Australian cricket fans feel that their boards have let them or their national cricket association down by relinquishing and not demanding the reinstatement of the ICC Big 3 model ICC event revenue distribution being those cricket regions get more money that generate a surplus of broadcast revenue by virtue of their respective wealthier and possibly larger tv viewing audience generated broadcast revenue for ICC events in England and Australia?

If you're and English or Australian cricket fan, do you feel that your national cricket board has let your national cricket infrastructure down by not demanding more money that is generated by the English and Australian cricket tv viewing fan. Or are you happy with the surplus tv revenues that the ICC generates in England and Australia going to NZ, SL, WI, SA, Pak and Bang on an equal footing to continue to maintain and develop international cricket within those nations?

Are you happy that the ICC which deals with Fox, Nine, and SkyUK and broadcasters is taking some of those pounds and dollars and sending them to SA, NZ, WI, Pak, SL to reward them for also sending a qualifying cricket team to an ICC event?

Put simply, are you happy as a cricket fan in England or Australia that your broadcasting money either through advertisements or subscription goes to the ICC - or should it just go to your local cricket board? Which then begs the question, should ICC events exist, or further, should the ICC even exist?

Do you feel that your national boards should boycott ICC events because they are not receiving their due in that all participating full members send a team and a receive the same money? Or should your boards threaten to boycott?

If you're happy with the ICC to continue to maintain and develop international with equal distribution for full members participating in international cricket say why.

If you're not happy with the ICC to continue to maintain and develop international cricket, say why.

This thread is only concerned with ICC organised and run events like the World Cup, Champions League and World T20 that it sells globally and revenue distribution from then on. It is not concerned with billateral series at all. Feel safe that when England host Australia, or Australia host England, that money stays only with the EWCB and CA. No ICC fingers are in that jar.

This thread is not limited to English and Australian cricket fans, but any are welcome to speak their viewpoint. It is interesting that the England and Australian cricket went from agreeing to unequal distributions, back to equal distributions and have not threatened to boycott ICC events in asking for more. If you're a WI, Pak, SL, NZ or Bang cricket fan, feel free to express your viewpoint on on whether EWCB and CA ought to by rights demand more than equal share for equal participation due to their comparatively wealthy tv cricket viewing audience than elsewhere or whether it is fair and reasonable.

An interesting 2013 link to read:

https://www.journeyman.tv/film_documents/6535/transcript/

where the influential Tim May is quoted as saying the following:

"Whereas the ICC: its charter is to operate for the global interests, not the individual interests of the full members."

For those that don't know - Tim May lost his position within the ICC in 2013 only to regain it in 2016.

If you like unequal sharing, should this apply to all sports codes like Man U vis a vis Leicester City in the EPL. Or the Brisbane Broncos having a larger viewing audience than Wests Tigers. Should broadcast revenues be split evenly between full member teams to ensure continued competition, or should it be reflected by the tv audience concentrated in a physical region that is the "boundary" of support for that team.

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Re: EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby Boycs » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:15 am

I for one enjoy my teams participation in tournaments like the WC, T20WC etc (though the Champions Trophy itself seems a little redundant). If we need the ICC to sort them out, then so be it.

I presume that the alternative with no ICC is merely series arranged between individual boards.

Without such a body, would there be so much development of newcomers to the international arena, like Afghanistan? Where would the motivation be for the ECB to arrange fixtures with Afghanistan, say, when they could rake it in with an Ashes series.

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Re: EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby Paddles » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:21 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:I for one enjoy my teams participation in tournaments like the WC, T20WC etc (though the Champions Trophy itself seems a little redundant). If we need the ICC to sort them out, then so be it.

I presume that the alternative with no ICC is merely series arranged between individual boards.

Without such a body, would there be so much development of newcomers to the international arena, like Afghanistan? Where would the motivation be for the ECB to arrange fixtures with Afghanistan, say, when they could rake it in with an Ashes series.


Your last paragraph is possibly true except that the MCC and ICC and under England's guide took the game from England and took it to the world before. England has a fairly proud history as a custodian of the game. The World Cup was a heavily influenced English creation and the first 3 editions were there where non-test nations like then Zimbabwe, East Africa and Sri Lanka competed. And its not like Kerry Packer with a post Bradman CA Board did not do wonders for the cricketing revenues of smaller nations via World Series Cricket as well as bidding fiercely in Australia for the cricket rights to ICC events. Although Kerry packer knew and understood that the Australian TV viewing audience was more valuable with strong teams to play against, so much so he made a World XI and paid highly for the West Indies despite being the host.

But your first paragraph, you like the ICC events, and you like your team participating, but the question is -should EWCB, by virtue of people such as yourself who spend money on SkyUK in England, get a larger share of the ICC broadcast revenue by virtue of the fact that the ICC gets a higher price for it due to the BBC and ITV competing for it, than say what SkyNZ pays for the broadcast rights in New Zealand or Star Cricket Pakistan or SUperSport in South Africa?.
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Re: EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby Boycs » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:25 am

Well I want more money for the ECB because they might spend it on making my team stronger. But I also want New Zealand to be strong because then a better quality of cricket competition would exist between the two teams when they meet, which makes my overall enjoyment of cricket greater. So I guess my view would be that even if a few larger bodies bring home the cheese, it should be shared out fairly with those who aren't able to bring in such an amount of cheese.

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Re: EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby Paddles » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:28 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Well I want more money for the ECB because they might spend it on making my team stronger. But I also want New Zealand to be strong because then a better quality of cricket competition would exist between the two teams when they meet, which makes my overall enjoyment of cricket greater. So I guess my view would be that even if a few larger bodies bring home the cheese, it should be shared out fairly with those who aren't able to bring in such an amount of cheese.


And if the money at stake in difference pales in comparison to what is earned via Billateral cricket series like the Ashes (and future domestic T20) competitions making your EWCB strong already?

Everyone wants more money, but should it be equal pay for full member teams participating via ICC - or should the EWCB own the broadcast rights to its team competing at any ICC tournament and the tournament as a whole for its tv viewing regional audience. So any board that sends a team, owns the tv rights for it in their host nation?

Do you agree with the concept of EPL in soccer equal sharing of tv revenue to keep a strong competition, or should it be allocated by virtue of fan membership watching? Should Stoke get the same money as a bigger club like Liverpool?

* You've actually answered this question already. You want a strong competition more. Forgive me.

So my next question:

Do you feel that the EWCB has a right or obligation to ask for the pounds that SKYUK spends on ICC products to make sure too many British pounds leave Britain? Or let the markets do what they do in setting a price and it is for the government if anyone to intervene in the outflowing of pounds?
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Re: EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby Paddles » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:58 am

For Australian cricket fans, if you changed your view from pro unequal to more equal, was it after the disasterous West Indies tour of Australia in 2015/16?
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Re: EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby squarecut » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:25 am

While some boards use their money for the betterment of cricket, there are boards that are non transparent and their officials simply pocket the millions that they get from ICC. Example- PCB, WICB, Zimbabwe Cricket Board.

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Postby Misty » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:36 am

Those board are stupid who not even wants to pay Funds to their own player, even if they have tons in their account.

Before last year (2016) all the profits of tickets ICC received, given to following 3 country : india,england and Australia.Others not get a penny, Things change now for betterment in 2017 all test playing country plus Zimbabwe and Afghanistan will be gets Equal NOW same as other test playing nation.

This new skim by ICC naturally upset big3 King.England not say much.Australians Get more upset than BCCI.
1980 Zimbabwe's D.Ebrahim scored 3 scores of 71 in side 4 test which followed with 94 in the next test.he was pramote to vice captain of Zimbabwe.

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Re: EWCB and CA fans and the ICC

Postby Misty » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:59 am

Boycs wrote:Well I want more money for the ECB because they might spend it on making my team stronger. But I also want New Zealand to be strong because then a better quality of cricket competition would exist between the two teams when they meet, which makes my overall enjoyment of cricket greater. So I guess my view would be that even if a few larger bodies bring home the cheese, it should be shared out fairly with those who aren't able to bring in such an amount of cheese.

67.91% ICC's yearly profits came from ticket selling from country India, yet India ready to share all profits to all test playing nation including Zimbabwe and Afghanistan.

If ICC removes either BD,Zim,WI or AFG from test status, ICC saves 91 million USA dollar every 365 days

Can you imagine how much profits we (ind) earned to ICC ? But we not insist to say we need more for the certain expenses

Uk,Oz and Ind gets more in the past, not anymore.
1980 Zimbabwe's D.Ebrahim scored 3 scores of 71 in side 4 test which followed with 94 in the next test.he was pramote to vice captain of Zimbabwe.