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Roget that & over and out

Postby Boycs » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:11 pm

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:21 pm

SGGH wrote:Roger


Do you know when you cannot use 'Roger' or 'Roger that'?

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Boycs » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:47 pm

This is going to be buggery related isn't it

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Going South » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:47 pm

Every idiot think he is Neil Armstrong.

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:13 pm

SGGH wrote:This is going to be buggery related isn't it



Nope.. I am talking real life.. nothing to do with buggery/joke at all.. in radio comm.. when are you not allowed/supposed/expected to reply with a "roger"? Of if you reply 'roger' it would not be accepted as a valid response/acknowledgement?

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:15 pm

Going South wrote:Every idiot think he is Neil Armstrong.



There seems to be something bothering you lately GS? Something that I have done to actually hurt you or something? You seem to be rather eager to go about putting me down, belittle me etc.. what is the beef? pray tell.

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Going South » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:56 pm

It's not aimed at you. AFAIK The word "roger that" got fame when neilarmstrong's first words of confirmation after landing on moon.
Now it's used as a reply even for "are you going to use toilet first?"

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Boycs » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:08 pm

I thought the first words spoken on the moon were "contact light"

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Re: County Championship IHAG

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:16 pm

Ah alrigt.

The answer to tht question is this.. Usually, when a radio message gives specific instructions you are required to READBACK.. you cannot say roger that.. Say for example, you get an order to fire a missile from your silo at the direction of 174 degrees az and 48 alt, you have to read back that in its entirety.. you say roger that the party at the other end konws your radio works and b you can hear.. but not WHAT YOU HEARD.. for all he knows you could have heard fire at 189 deg and 34alt which might be a bulls eye towards him.. so that you have to read back

Also in cases where there is a confirmation required you cannot roger..for example if you are told please report 5 miles out, you have to answer with 'wilco' or read back the whole stuff or say 'unable'.. so the other party is clear..

Roger is not YES.. Roger is not NO.. it just means "I heard you.. "... you can say 'roger that' to someone saying 'that bugger is a dick' yes..but not to something that needs an ack.

Just a general info.. (btw WILCO means Will Comply).

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Going South » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:19 pm

Walkie talkie has over.....finally over & out.

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:37 pm

Over is to avoid talking over each other.. walkie talkie is essentially a single duplex device.. i.e you can talk or hear but not both..so to let the other party know that you have finished your question/answer or information, you say over and when the end of communication is reached.. ie.. by bye time, it is over and out. So if the convo has to restart, it will have to be reinitiated..

But in aviation there is no over or over and out because the convo never ends while the aircraft is operational.. it is a handover.. say an airplane goes out of jfk area and is heading out, it goes to the the enroute FSS guys or the trackon guys (handedover.. the controller at jfk will say contact xyz at nnn freq.. pilot repeats that and he says have a good day or something.. and then contacts that xyz on nnn freq.. and starts 'xyz.. this is abc with you'.. to which the response will be 'abc this is xyz with you' and any additional info..

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Boycs » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:04 pm

You never say over and out because it doesn't make sense

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:19 pm

It does.. well actually in a CB kind of stuff no you don't.. over and out is said only if the message is sorta a one on one.. and then that convo ends and one of the person engaged thus far in the one to one is going away from the radio.. and otherwise normal service begins.. but yeah in normal course of things, unless the person is going to go OUT of radio contact they do not say that.

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:23 pm

WHat I mean is out of coverage area.. into a tunnel etc.. if the person is about to go there, they will say over and out so the other side knows when they went out of any kind of radio contact.. yes over and out is employed (but never by the station/dispatch..).

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Boycs » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:45 pm

All I can say is in my own experience over and out made no sense as it was saying "it's your turn to speak AND the conversation is over" but no doubt it is different in different places and different roles, jobs, etc

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County Championship IHAG

Postby Going South » Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:47 pm

Would the last over in cricket fit for calling it "over and out" ? Or is it last ball of an over get a wicket?

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby Paddles » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:57 am

Going South wrote:Would the last over in cricket fit for calling it "over and out" ? Or is it last ball of an over get a wicket?


That would be out and over. Play is dead once over is called I believe but I have not checked the rules. But you can appeal and the decision given during dead play following a live delivery's play. So it could be possible if the appeal was asked as the umpire said over for him then to add "and out".
"Your inclination to assume and contradict is typical of Narcissism which is nothing about being pretty like the Narcissus fable."

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Re: County Championship IHAG

Postby GpeL » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:43 am

SGGH wrote:All I can say is in my own experience over and out made no sense as it was saying "it's your turn to speak AND the conversation is over" but no doubt it is different in different places and different roles, jobs, etc


No over and OUT means, I am done with my transmission and have nothing to say and no matter what you say, I am not going to be able to receive/respond.. i.e my radio is switched off.. Any radio comm further will/can be ONLY when I initiate it..

In other words, any comm directed at that person is lost in air because the other party has no way to listen into those sent its way.

It basically meant to say the station was closing down (even if temporarily) for an extended period of time.

That was the case when the equipment had to be moved, reset and antenna had to be re-positioned etc to resume further reporting/comm..

But yes in this day and age, that terminology is antiquated but made very popular by movies. Now it almost means, I am done saying what I have to say and I am no longer interested in hearing your part of whatever it is you want to say.. sometimes it is used as a "end of argument" analogy..