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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:42 pm

SuperGLS wrote:It doesn't exist at all?


It exists. But everything we hear about it is bullshit.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:07 am

The Risks of a Trump Presidency

Posted by Scott Adams @ dilbert
June 2nd, 2016

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1453091728 ... presidency

What exactly is the risk of a Trump presidency? Beats me. But let’s talk about it anyway.

Your Abysmal Track Record

For starters, ask yourself how well you predicted the performance of past presidents. Have your psychic powers been accurate?

I’m not good at predicting the performance of presidents. I thought Reagan would be dangerous, but he presided over the end of the Cold War. And I thought George W. Bush would be unlikely to start a war, much less two of them.

But it gets better. Even AFTER the presidency, can you tell who did the best job? I can’t. You think you can, but you can’t. And the simple reason for that is because there is no base case with which to compare a president. All we know is what did happen, not what might have happened if we took another path. You can’t compare a situation in the real world to your imaginary world in which something better happened. That is nonsense. And yet we do it. Watch me prove it right now.

So, how did President Obama do on the job? Was he a good president?

If you have an answer in your head – either yes or no – it proves you don’t know how to make decisions. No judgement can be made about Obama’s performance because there is nothing to which it can be compared. No one else in a parallel universe was president at the same time, doing different things and getting different results.

I’m not a fan of everything our president has done, but I feel as if historians will rank him as one of our best presidents. Definitely in the top 20%.

Wait, what? Am I crazy?

Many of you think Obama nearly destroyed civilization. You and I can’t both be right. But both of us can be irrational in trusting our opinions. We are literally comparing Obama’s actual performance to imagined alternatives that exist only in our minds. Maybe you think the imaginary president in your mind is way better than the real one, whereas I think the real one did well compared to my imaginary alternative.

That isn’t thinking. Science is pretty clear on that.

And how about your ability to predict the future of your own relationships? Most relationships end badly, so we know that the majority of Americans are not good at predicting the future. Have all of your relationships worked out the way you expected? Mine haven’t.

I think you’ll agree that humans are terrible at predicting the future. But that’s not the problem. The problem is that we think we are not terrible at predicting the future. Our certainty in the face of overwhelming uncertainty is irrational.

Do you think President Trump would be extra-dangerous to the world? If you have an opinion on that – either yes or no – you’re being irrational.

The FBI Profiler Approach

When FBI profilers are trying to figure out who perpetrated a specific type of crime, they can often narrow it down to people who have done the same sort of thing in the past. Arsonists have played with matches in their youth. Serial killers have probably been cruel to animals. Abusers have probably abused people before. Pedophiles have often been victims themselves. Patterns of this sort can be predictive, at least when viewed by experts.

Donald Trump has about five decades of track record in business that includes no violent acts whatsoever. Nor have we heard stories of any Trump temper tantrums in the business world that go beyond the scope of what any CEO does on a bad day. Somehow Trump built hundreds of business entities, amassed great wealth, and raised a great set of kids. And nowhere in the story is the part where he did something scary or dangerous. That sort of behavior doesn’t pop up suddenly when you’re a grandfather.

The Scary Talk

Trump does talk tough. He talks of expelling illegals from the country. He talks of waterboarding. He talks of bombing the shit out of ISIS. He talks about going after the families of terrorists.

But Trump also openly talks about the value of hyperbole (also known as bullshit). He wrote about it in The Art of the Deal. Trump tells us – in the clearest possible language – that he always sets the table for negotiating by making a big opening offer. If Trump is consistent with decades of history – and with what he says about his approach to negotiating – then his more extreme statements are just psychology. That’s what an FBI profiler would tell you. People don’t suddenly change their basic mode of operation at age 69, especially when it is working.

Chemical Cyborgs

In my view, we are already in the Age of Cyborgs. You probably have a friend who has one kind of personality without drugs (legal or illegal) and a completely different personality when using drugs, including alcohol. Maybe the drugs are curing depression, or anxiety, or loneliness, or something. But people are different when they are on them. That’s the point of taking drugs.

Trump doesn’t drink. He never has. He doesn’t take illegal drugs either. He’s the same guy at night that he is in the morning. He’s not a chemical cyborg with a personality that is driven by big pharma.

Clinton, on the other hand, is part human, part pharmacological grab-bag. Her personality is at least partly determined by whatever cocktail of meds and wine are in her system at any given moment. In other words, she is just like most adults. Our personalities are the product of the drugs in our system, for better or for worse.

Do you make the same decisions when you are tired? Do you make the same decisions when you’re angry, depressed, or in pain? Probably not. So if meds are fixing those conditions, those meds are also controlling your decisions. And that introduces risk.

Trump brings with him all the risks of being Trump, but he does seem to be the same person every day. Clinton brings with her all the risks of being Clinton, plus any extra risks from a glass of wine or doctor-prescribed meds. That risk could be nearly nothing. Or not. We have no way to know.

Scaring Foreign Leaders

I hear voters say they worry about Trump offending world leaders and triggering wars. But keep in mind that world leaders have been putting up with dangerous and shitty U.S. presidents for hundreds of years. It hasn’t been a problem yet.

One of the things Trump has going for him is that he’s a well-known entity. People hate surprises. Any foreign leader would know exactly what they are getting with Trump. Like Reagan, a President Trump would talk tough – for effect – but he is likable in person, and he has a strong bias to avoid any problems that are bad for business. China would have no problem with any of that. Putin would have no problem with Trump either. They know what negotiating looks like.

Do foreign leaders WANT a President Trump? Hell, no. Trump says he plans to negotiate better deals for America, which means worse deals for everyone else. Of course foreign leaders are going to tell us Trump is risky, scary, and anything else bad, just to stop him.

I doubt any foreign leader is literally afraid of Trump. But they might want you to think they are afraid of him, so you won’t elect him. Foreign leaders are not idiots. To some extent, they are playing us.

Racism

What about all of Trump’s racism? An FBI profiler would assume a person’s pattern of racism would continue, maybe worsen.

But Trump’s racism exists solely in the minds of his opponents. He has proposed no racist policies and he has no racist acts in his past.

Trump opposes illegal immigration. But he loves legal Americans of every color and flavor. He says so often. That’s not racism. That’s more like the opposite.

Trump did say Mexicans are rapists. But you’d have to be dumb to think he meant every single Mexican coming into the country is a rapist. Literally no one – ever – has believed all Mexicans are rapists. If you think Trump believes it – or wants us to believe it – you have abandoned any hold on reason.

But we agree that Trump says outrageous things, because doing so gets him elected, apparently.

Religious Discrimination

What about Trump’s idea to temporarily ban Muslim immigration until we figure out what the problem is? Isn’t that religious discrimination?

Yes, it is. But it is the legal kind because it would only apply to non-citizens trying to enter the country. And keep in mind that Islam – as commonly practiced in Muslim countries around the world – is not compatible with the Constitution of the United States. That’s different from the situation with Presbyterian immigrants, for example, whose beliefs fold neatly into the current system.

I don’t have an opinion on the best way to handle Muslim immigration because I don’t know how effectively we can screen people. But common sense says we should treat different risk classes in different ways. That’s the way we price car insurance, and it is the way we make all data-driven decisions. Ignoring risk is noble, but it isn’t always smart.

Trump also suggested creating a government list of which residents of the country are Muslim. That’s some scary shit. Until…you realize the government already has that list. You know they do, right?

And if they don’t, they can pull it together from existing Big Data any time they want. That risk is already baked into our current situation. The government knows what you are up to as well. They know your religion (with high probability), your spending habits, your porn preferences, and your health. Or at least they can know those things any time they want.

The privacy ship already sailed.

War Crimes

Trump famously suggested we use torture to fight terrorism. Torture is not legal. And he suggested going after the families of terrorists. That’s a war crime too.

Did he mean any of that?

Trump is always operating on the dimension of emotion and persuasion. He wants you – and the terrorists – to know he’s the most bad-ass player running for president. That gives him an edge in getting elected and it gives him a psychological advantage against ISIS. If you’re a potential suicide bomber, you don’t worry about President Obama killing your family. But President Trump? You’d better think this through.

Personally, I think it would be a terrible idea to torture terrorists (unless it works), and always a bad idea to target families. But saying you might do those things is effective both for winning a Republican primary and for keeping the enemy off balance.

I think I’ve mentioned that Trump says things for effect.

Risk of Business as Usual

Have you wondered why Republican Bill Kristol and others are looking for a third-party candidate who will guarantee a Clinton win over Trump? That’s probably because they know Clinton is in the pockets of the defense industry, and perhaps so are they.

The defense industry needs America to fight wars. History suggests Clinton will be a normal president who starts wars when the defense industry tells her to do so. Trump is less likely to play that game because he doesn’t need their money. That makes Trump the lower risk of starting a war. He has no profit motive.

When to Increase Risk

As a general rule, you want to keep risks low when things are going well and nothing is broken. But when things are heading in the wrong direction, sometimes the only way to fix the situation is to introduce a reasonable, entrepreneurial risk.

So, if you think the country is heading in the right direction, you probably don’t want someone like Trump as president. Trump is more likely to introduce change than Clinton. But if you think the government is broken, you might want some Trump-like entrepreneurial risk in your future.



Speaking of risk, my book doesn’t have any.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:05 pm

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:17 pm

perhaps one of the greatest speeches in recent memory, Donald Trump tells it all about Hillary Clinton...

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Full transcript: Donald Trump NYC speech on stakes of the election
06/22/16 10:50 AM EDT

Today I‘d like to share my thoughts about the stakes in this election.
People have asked me why I am running for President.
I have built an amazing business that I love and I get to work side-by-side with my children every day.
We come to work together and turn visions into reality.
We think big, and then we make it happen.
I love what I do, and I am grateful beyond words to the nation that has allowed me to do it.
So when people ask me why I am running, I quickly answer: I am running to give back to this country which has been so good to me.
When I see the crumbling roads and bridges, or the dilapidated airports, or the factories moving overseas to Mexico, or to other countries, I know these problems can all be fixed, but not by Hillary Clinton – only by me.
The fact is, we can come back bigger and better and stronger than ever before --Jobs, jobs, jobs!
Everywhere I look, I see the possibilities of what our country could be. But we can’t solve any of these problems by relying on the politicians who created them.
We will never be able to fix a rigged system by counting on the same people who rigged it in the first place.
The insiders wrote the rules of the game to keep themselves in power and in the money.
That’s why we’re asking Bernie Sanders’ voters to join our movement: so together we can fix the system for ALL Americans. Importantly, this includes fixing all of our many disastrous trade deals.
Because it’s not just the political system that’s rigged. It’s the whole economy.
It’s rigged by big donors who want to keep down wages.
It’s rigged by big businesses who want to leave our country, fire our workers, and sell their products back into the U.S. with absolutely no consequences for them.
It’s rigged by bureaucrats who are trapping kids in failing schools.
It’s rigged against you, the American people.
Hillary Clinton who, as most people know, is a world class liar –
just look at her pathetic email and server statements, or her phony landing in Bosnia where she said she was under attack but the attack turned out to be young girls handing her flowers, a total self-serving lie.
Brian Williams’ career was destroyed for saying far less.
Yesterday, she even tried to attack me and my many businesses. But here is the bottom line: I started off in Brooklyn New York, not so long ago, with a small loan and built a business worth over 10 billion dollars. I have always had a talent for building businesses and, importantly, creating jobs. That is a talent our country desperately needs.
I am running for President to end the unfairness and to put you, the American worker, first.
We are going to put America First, and we are going to Make America Great again.
This election will decide whether we are ruled by the people, or by the politicians.
Here is my promise to the American voter:
If I am elected President, I will end the special interest monopoly in Washington, D.C.
The other candidate in this race has spent her entire life making money for special interests – and taking money from special interests.
Hillary Clinton has perfected the politics of personal profit and theft.
She ran the State Department like her own personal hedge fund – doing favors for oppressive regimes, and many others, in exchange for cash.
Then, when she left, she made $21.6 million giving speeches to Wall Street banks and other special interests – in less than 2 years – secret speeches that she does not want to reveal to the public.
Together, she and Bill made $153 million giving speeches to lobbyists, CEOs, and foreign governments in the years since 2001.
They totally own her, and that will never change.
The choice in this election is a choice between taking our government back from the special interests, or surrendering our last scrap of independence to their total and complete control.
Those are the stakes.
Hillary Clinton wants to be President. But she doesn't have the temperament, or, as Bernie Sanders' said, the judgement, to be president.
She believes she is entitled to the office.
Her campaign slogan is “I’m with her.”
You know what my response to that is? I’m with you: the American people.
She thinks it’s all about her.
I know it’s all about you – I know it’s all about making America Great Again for All Americans.
Our country lost its way when we stopped putting the American people first.
We got here because we switched from a policy of Americanism – focusing on what’s good for America’s middle class – to a policy of globalism, focusing on how to make money for large corporations who can move their wealth and workers to foreign countries all to the detriment of the American worker and the American economy.
We reward companies for offshoring, and we punish companies for doing business in America and keeping our workers employed.
This is not a rising tide that lifts all boats.
This is a wave of globalization that wipes out our middle class and our jobs.
We need to reform our economic system so that, once again, we can all succeed together, and America can become rich again.
That’s what we mean by America First.
Our country will be better off when we start making our own products again, bringing our once great manufacturing capabilities back to our shores.
Our Founders understood this.
One of the first major bills signed by George Washington called for “the encouragement and protection of manufactur[ing]” in America.
Our first Republican President, Abraham Lincoln, warned us by saying:
“The abandonment of the protective policy by the American government will produce want and ruin among our people.”
I have visited the cities and towns across America and seen the devastation caused by the trade policies of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton supported Bill Clinton’s disastrous NAFTA, just like she supported China’s entrance into the World Trade Organization.
We’ve lost nearly one-third of our manufacturing jobs since these two Hillary-backed agreements were signed.
Our trade deficit with China soared 40% during Hillary Clinton’s time as Secretary of State -- a disgraceful performance for which she should not be congratulated, but rather scorned.
Then she let China steal hundreds of billions of dollars in our intellectual property – a crime which is continuing to this day.
Hillary Clinton gave China millions of our best jobs, and effectively let China completely rebuild itself.
In return, Hillary Clinton got rich!
The book Clinton Cash, by Peter Schweitzer, documents how Bill and Hillary used the State Department to enrich their family at America’s expense.
She gets rich making you poor.
Here is a quote from the book: “At the center of US policy toward China was Hillary Clinton…at this critical time for US-china relations, Bill Clinton gave a number of speeches that were underwritten by the Chinese government and its supporters.”
These funds were paid to the Clinton bank account while Hillary was negotiating with China on behalf of the United States.
She sold out our workers, and our country, for Beijing.
Hillary Clinton has also been the biggest promoter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which will ship millions more of our jobs overseas – and give up Congressional power to an international foreign commission.
Now, because I have pointed out why it would be such a disastrous deal, she is pretending that she is against it. She has even deleted this record of total support from her book – deletion is something she is very good at -- (at least 30,000 emails are missing.)
But this latest Clinton cover-up doesn’t change anything: if she is elected president, she will adopt the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and we will lose millions of jobs and our economic independence for good. She will do this, just as she has betrayed the American worker on trade at every single stage of her career – and it will be even worse than the Clintons’ NAFTA deal.
I want trade deals, but they have to be great for the United States and our workers.
We don't make great deals anymore, but we will once I become president.
It’s not just our economy that’s been corrupted, but our foreign policy too.
The Hillary Clinton foreign policy has cost America thousands of lives and trillions of dollars – and unleashed ISIS across the world.
No Secretary of State has been more wrong, more often, and in more places than Hillary Clinton.
Her decisions spread death, destruction and terrorism everywhere she touched.
Among the victims is our late Ambassador, Chris Stevens. He was left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed -- that's right, when the phone rang at
3 o'clock in the morning, she was sleeping.
Ambassador Stevens and his staff in Libya made hundreds of requests for security.
Hillary Clinton’s State Department refused them all.
She started the war that put him in Libya, denied him the security he asked for, then left him there to die.
To cover her tracks, Hillary lied about a video being the cause of his death.
Here is what one of the victim’s mothers had to say:
“I want the whole world to know it: she lied to my face, and you don’t want this person to be president.”
In 2009, before Hillary Clinton was sworn in, it was a different world.
Libya was cooperating.
Iraq was seeing a reduction in violence.
Syria was under control.
Iran was being choked by sanctions.
Egypt was governed by a friendly regime that honored its peace treaty with Israel.
ISIS wasn’t even on the map.
Fast forward to 2013: In just four years, Secretary Clinton managed
to almost single-handedly destabilize the entire Middle East.
Her invasion of Libya handed the country over to the ISIS barbarians.
Thanks to Hillary Clinton, Iran is now the dominant Islamic power in the Middle East, and on the road to nuclear weapons.
Hillary Clinton’s support for violent regime change in Syria has thrown the country into one of the bloodiest civil wars anyone has ever seen – while giving ISIS a launching pad for terrorism against the West.
She helped force out a friendly regime in Egypt and replace it with the radical Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptian military has retaken control, but Clinton has opened the Pandora’s box of radical Islam.
Then, there was the disastrous strategy of announcing our departure date from Iraq, handing large parts of the country over to ISIS killers.
ISIS threatens us today because of the decisions Hillary Clinton has made.
ISIS also threatens peaceful Muslims across the Middle East, and peaceful Muslims across the world, who have been terribly victimized by horrible brutality – and who only want to raise their kids in peace and safety.
In short, Hillary Clinton’s tryout for the presidency has produced one deadly foreign policy disaster after another.
It all started with her bad judgment in supporting the War in Iraq in the first place.
Though I was not in government service, I was among the earliest to criticize
the rush to war, and yes, even before the war ever started.
But Hillary Clinton learned nothing from Iraq, because when she got into power,
she couldn’t wait to rush us off to war in Libya.
She lacks the temperament, the judgment and the competence to lead.
In the words of a Secret Service agent posted outside the Oval Office:
“She simply lacks the integrity and temperament to serve
in the office…from the bottom of my soul, I know this to be true…Her leadership style – volcanic, impulsive…disdainful of the rules set for everyone else – hasn’t changed a bit.”
Perhaps the most terrifying thing about Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy is that she refuses to acknowledge the threat posed by Radical Islam.
In fact, Hillary Clinton supports a radical 550% increase in Syrian refugees coming into the United States, and that's an increase over President Obama's already very high number.
Under her plan, we would admit hundreds of thousands of refugees from the most dangerous countries on Earth – with no way to screen who they are or what they believe.
Already, hundreds of recent immigrants and their children have been convicted of terrorist activity inside the U.S.
The father of the Orlando shooter was a Taliban supporter from Afghanistan, one of the
most repressive anti-gay and anti-women regimes on Earth.
I only want to admit people who share our values and love our people.
Hillary Clinton wants to bring in people who believe women should be enslaved
and gays put to death.
Maybe her motivation lies among the more than 1,000 foreign donations Hillary failed to disclose while at the State Department.
Hillary Clinton may be the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency.
Here is some more of what we learned from the book,
Clinton Cash:
A foreign telecom giant faced possible State Department sanctions for providing technology to Iran, and other oppressive regimes. So what did this company do? For the first time ever, they decided to pay Bill Clinton $750,000 for a single speech. The Clintons got their cash, the telecom company escaped sanctions.
Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20% of America’s uranium holdings to Russia, while 9 investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.
Hillary Clinton appointed a top donor to a national security board with top secret access – even though he had no national security credentials.
Hillary Clinton accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was Secretary of State – plus millions more for her foundation. The Sultan of Brunei has pushed oppressive Sharia law, including the punishment of death by stoning for being gay. The government of Brunei also stands to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of Hillary’s Trans-Pacific Partnership, which she would absolutely approve if given the chance.
Hillary Clinton took up to $25 million from Saudi Arabia, where being gay is also punishable by death.
Hillary took millions from Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and many other countries that horribly abuse women and LGBT citizens.
To cover-up her corrupt dealings, Hillary Clinton illegally stashed her State Department emails on a private server.
Her server was easily hacked by foreign governments – perhaps even by her financial backers in Communist China – putting all of America in danger.
Then there are the 33,000 emails she deleted.
While we may not know what is in those deleted emails, our enemies probably do.
So they probably now have a blackmail file over someone who wants to be President of the United States.
This fact alone disqualifies her from the Presidency.
We can’t hand over our government to someone whose deepest, darkest secrets may be in the hands of our enemies.
National security is also immigration security –
and Hillary wants neither.
Hillary Clinton has put forward the most radical immigration platform in the history of the United States.
She has pledged to grant mass amnesty and in her first 100 days, end virtually all immigration enforcement, and thus create totally open borders in the United States
The first victims of her radical policies will be poor African-American and Hispanic workers who need jobs. They are the ones she will hurt the most.
Let me share with you a letter our campaign received from Mary Ann Mendoza.
She lost her amazing son, Police Sergeant Brandon Mendoza, after he was killed by an illegal immigrant because of the open borders policies supported by Hillary Clinton.
Sadly, the Mendoza family is just one of thousands who have suffered the same fate.
Here is an excerpt from Mrs. Mendoza’s letter:
“Hillary Clinton, who already has the blood of so many on her hands, is now announcing that she is willing to put each and every one of our lives in harms’ way – an open door policy to criminals and terrorists to enter our country. Hillary is not concerned about you or I, she is only concerned about the power the presidency would bring to her. She needs to go to prison to pay for the crimes she has already committed against this country.”
Hillary also wants to spend hundreds of billions to resettle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States, on top of the current record level of immigration.
For the amount of money Hillary Clinton would like to spend on refugees, we could rebuild every inner city in America.
Hillary’s Wall Street immigration agenda will keep immigrant communities poor, and unemployed Americans out of work. She can’t claim to care about African-American and Hispanic workers when she wants to bring in millions of new low-wage workers
to compete against them.
Here are a few things a Trump Administration will do for America in the first 100 days:
Appoint judges who will uphold the Constitution. Hillary Clinton’s radical judges will virtually abolish the 2nd amendment.
Change immigration rules to give unemployed Americans an opportunity to fill good-paying jobs
Stand up to countries that cheat on trade, of which there are many
Cancel rules and regulations that send jobs overseas
Lift restrictions on energy production
Repeal and replace job-killing Obamacare -- it is a disaster.
Pass massive tax reform to create millions of new jobs.
Impose tough new ethics rules to restore dignity to the Office of Secretary of State.
There is one common theme in all of these reforms.
It’s going to be America First.
This is why the stakes in November are so great.
On election day, the politicians stand trial before the people.
The voters are the jury. Their ballots are the verdict. We don’t need or want another Clinton or Obama.
Come November, the American people will have a chance to issue a verdict on the politicians that have sacrificed their security, betrayed their prosperity, and sold out
their country.
They will have a chance to vote for a new agenda with big dreams, bold ideas and enormous possibilities for the American people.
Hillary Clinton’s message is old and tired. Her message is that can’t change.
My message is that things have to change – and this is our one chance do it. This is our last chance to do it.
Americans are the people that tamed the West, that dug out the Panama Canal, that sent satellites across the solar system, that built the great dams, and so much more.
Then we started thinking small.
We stopped believing in what America could do, and became reliant on other countries, other people, and other institutions.
We lost our sense of purpose, and daring.
But that’s not who we are.
Come this November, we can bring America back – bigger and better, and stronger than ever.
We will build the greatest infrastructure on the planet earth – the roads and railways and airports of tomorrow.
Our military will have the best technology and finest equipment – we will bring it back all the way.
Massive new factories will come roaring into our country – breathing life and hope into our communities.
Inner cities, which have been horribly abused by Hillary Clinton and the Democrat Party, will finally be rebuilt.
Construction is what I know -- nobody knows it better.
The real wages for our workers have not been raised for 18 years -- but these wages will start going up, along with the new jobs. Hillary’s massive taxation, regulation and open borders will destroy jobs and drive down wages for everyone.
We are also going to be supporting our police and law enforcement -- we can never forget the great job they do.
I am also going to appoint great Supreme Court Justices.
Our country is going to start working again.
People are going to start working again.
Parents are going to start dreaming big for their children again – including parents in our inner cities.
Americans are going to start believing in the future or our country.
We are going to make America rich again.
We are going to make America safe again.
We are going to make America Great Again – and Great Again For EVERYONE.


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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Boycs » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:15 am

Hmmm. We just voted to leave the EU. I wonder what trump thinks

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:33 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Hmmm. We just voted to leave the EU. I wonder what trump thinks

I think he welcome it. All the more reason for British citizens to be more scared about future. Anyway it's going to dogs in Londonistan just can't decide which pack of dogs you are going to be a meal & it does not matter anymore. Enjoy life today as there is no tomorrow. Dig out that bucket list ! Who is next after boycott?

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:59 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Hmmm. We just voted to leave the EU. I wonder what trump thinks


He's happy about it. He's an anti globalist and the Brexit is a body blow to those who hope to implement a one world government.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Boycs » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:49 am

75% of young persons here wanted to remain in the EU but the older lot who wanted to leave won't have to deal with any fall out

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby raja » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:49 am

Funniest thing is that Trump goes to Scotland and congratulates them on leaving the EU.
Whereas Scotland voted overwhelmingly for STAYING in the EU, it was England that voted overwhelmingly to LEAVE.

I guess it's a nuance lost on Trump.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:45 pm

raja wrote:Funniest thing is that Trump goes to Scotland and congratulates them on leaving the EU.
Whereas Scotland voted overwhelmingly for STAYING in the EU, it was England that voted overwhelmingly to LEAVE.

I guess it's a nuance lost on Trump.

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He went to Scotland to open a golf course

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Postby Going South » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:33 pm

Did Trump just lost Irish & Scottish American voters support ???? They do form a large ethnic group among American voters.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:08 pm

BoyCaught30 wrote:75% of young persons here wanted to remain in the EU but the older lot who wanted to leave won't have to deal with any fall out


This is the sour grapes line being repeated by the sore remain losers.
The fact is that many people change their opinions on political matters when they grow older and wiser.

The ageism on display by the social justice warriors is hypocrisy at its finest.
Every other -ism is bad, but ageism is fine by them.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby raja » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:45 pm

Ok, it's almost a month since the last post on this thread, so I thought I should revive it.

Anybody has changed his opinion on Trump in the last month?

I maintain that Hillary is running away with it.

President Hillary Clinton...I can already hear it...has a nice ring to it. :-)

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:23 pm

Mr president Donald trump got nice ring to it too.

Call me cynic. God forbid, If any bad terror incidents happen in November 1st week I guarantee that trump is president.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:41 pm

Haha. Trump said the same exact thing today.

Washington - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump today hit out at his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and her running mate Tim Kaine, saying they "do not look presidential" as he claimed that enemies like ISIS are "drooling" over their nomination.

"Just saw crooked Hillary and Tim Kaine together. ISIS and our other enemies are drooling. They don't look presidential to me!"

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:47 am

‘He will lead US to self-destruction’: ISIS roots for Donald Trump as President

Washington: ISIS jihadists are rooting for Donald Trump to win the US presidential polls as they believe that he will lead America on a path of self-destruction and his presidency would be a powerful recruiting tool, according to a media report.

Even though the Republican presidential candidate has promised to "knock the hell out of" ISIS, the terror group is rooting for him to win the upcoming general election because they believe it will boost their ranks, the Foreign Affairs magazine reported, citing interviews with ISIS supporters, recent defectors and social media analysis.

Earlier this month, an ISIS spokesman wrote on the ISIS-affiliated Telegram channel, Nashir, "I ask Allah to deliver America to Trump."

An ISIS supporter posted on one of the numerous jihadist "channels" hosted by the Telegram messaging application, "The 'facilitation' of Trump's arrival in the White House must be a priority for jihadists at any cost!"

Trump has been campaigning on a promise to eradicate the Islamic State. The 70-year-old business tycoon regularly makes belligerent statements such as , "I would bomb" them and "We have to knock the hell out of them".

He has said that he would send up to 30,000 more US troops to fight ISIS and refuses to rule out the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the group.

However, jihadists are rooting for a Trump presidency because they believe that he will lead the US on a path to self-destruction, the magazine said in its report.

Analysis of ISIS chatters on social media and conversations with 12 current and former supporters of the group do indicate that ISIS strongly prefers Trump over the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, it said.

Trump is "the perfect enemy", Tarek, a former ISIS fighter who recently switched sides to one of its Salafi rivals, Ahrar al-Sham, was quoted as saying.

Another ISIS defector, Samer, said when he was fighting for the group in Deir ez-Zor, "we were happy when Trump said bad things about Muslims because he makes it very clear that there are two teams in this battle: the Islamic team and the anti-Islamic team."

When asked why Clinton has not yet been shown in an ISIS video, a recent defector, Adel, was quoted as sayung that it is because "she never says anything bad about Muslims".

Indeed, it is far more difficult for ISIS to vilify Clinton, who routinely insists that "Islam is not our adversary" and "Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people".

ISIS supporters believe that Trump would be an unstable and irrational leader whose impulsive decision-making would weaken the United States, the report said.

Some ISIS supporters believe that Trump would lead the US and its Western allies into the apocalyptic clash they have been waiting for, it said.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:49 am

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:32 pm

https://youtu.be/Elkwo0t3LNM

This single video did more damage than entire campaign

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Re: Donald Trump

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby raja » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:19 am

So, GS, were you at the "Hindus For Trump" event in New Jersey last week? :-)

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Boycs » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:32 am

Trump is being a petulant child now it's embarrassing

I'd back the "none of the above" movement. Time for a strong third party alternative?

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Postby Going South » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:39 pm

raja wrote:So, GS, were you at the "Hindus For Trump" event in New Jersey last week? :-)

I was there. As I was noisy the security folks lifted me up and threw me outside the premises.

Last night went to a desi party (karwa Chauth) but all guys gathered to watch the 3rd debate with lot of noise & laughter. Super entertainment!

Welcome back!

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:27 pm

Steve Waugh calls up Donald Trump after 3rd debate, says “You’ve just dropped the presidency, son”

Former Australian cricketing legend and captain Steve Waugh had sealed his entry in the history book of cricketing quotes, when he was reported to have told South African legend Herschelle Gibbs, “You’ve just dropped the world cup, son” during the 1999 Cricket World Cup semi-final, when the latter dropped a catch off the former. The senior Waugh has done it again. Moments after the third and final US presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump concluded, Waugh called up Trump and told him, “You’ve just dropped the presidency, son.”


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“Though I denied saying it way back in 1999, I said it loud and clear now and it feels good to be doing this after 17 long years, when I was reported to have last said so. He’s had a magical run so far, despite the leaked tapes and what not, but I thought that after this debate, it was safe for me to tell him that, mate!” Waugh told The UnReal Times, “I wasn’t completely sure actually, but after he called Hillary a nasty woman in the presidential debate, I knew I had to call him up and tell him that. And so I did.”

The Republican candidate, however, tore into Waugh soon after the phone call made news. “Look, I just love the Aussies. They love me, I’ve built some really great things there. But just so you know, Steve Waugh is a disaster! Under him, Australian cricket was a disaster! There were some really great players who weren’t able to do well, because of Steve. He was a nasty captain! I mean, look at his own brother Mark! I’ve great respect for Mark, he’s a great guy, I really like him! But because of Steve, Mark himself wasn’t able to completely be the awesome player that he was! And it’s not just me who’s saying this – Shane Warne, a great guy, a legendary player in all forms of life, he’s said this too, on record!” the billionaire told The UnReal Times.

“A lot of people say Australia won the 1999 world cup under Steve, but look, if it weren’t for Allan Donald’s run out of Lance Klusener, they would’ve lost. I’m a big fan of Zulu, by the way. Just so you know, I love Zulu and Africans, I think they’re really great people, very nice people! Except some like President Obama, of course. Anyway, so the one world cup that the Aussies won under Waugh, was due to a Donald! That’s what Donalds do – they make things great for others, wherever they go! When I become president, we’ll make the Baggy Green great again and Australian cricket will do so well, your head will spin!” Trump added.

Trump also accused Waugh of colluding with the Clinton camp to sabotage his campaign. “Look, it’s all rigged. When Steve was at his prime in the 90s, Bill Clinton was the US president! And right after Bill was gone, Steve’s career was dwindling – and soon he became what he actually is – a complete disaster! You see, it’s so obvious that everything’s rigged against me – the very dishonest media does not want to see this, but I love the people all over the world. The people know what’s going on and we’ve some really great people not just in America, but throughout the world!” the angry candidate thundered.

While Steve Waugh has laughed off Trump’s responses, he could be in for some trouble when he lands in India for his charity work next. Indian fringe group, the Hindu Sena has threatened to protest with black flags outside Steve’s charity office in Kolkata, whenever he lands next. “We’re kind enough to give Steve an opportunity to apologize to Trump bhai, failing which we’ll carry out large-scale protests against him,” Hindu Sena president Vishnu Gupta threatened, while feeding large spoons of Dahi Shakkar to a life-size poster of the billionaire.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:47 am

Going South wrote:
raja wrote:So, GS, were you at the "Hindus For Trump" event in New Jersey last week? :-)

I was there. As I was noisy the security folks lifted me up and threw me outside the premises.

Last night went to a desi party (karwa Chauth) but all guys gathered to watch the 3rd debate with lot of noise & laughter. Super entertainment!

Welcome back!


the people that get thrown out of Trump rallies are the ones that incite violence instructed and paid for by the Clinton Campaign


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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:05 pm

Trump haters != democrats

I don't like coffee. That does not make me tea lover. I hate tea too. Duh!

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:34 am

Watched some of Samantha bee's tirades on trump. Must say they are hilarious. A new star?

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby raja » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:13 pm

Samantha who?

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:00 pm

Going South wrote:Trump haters != democrats

I don't like coffee. That does not make me tea lover. I hate tea too. Duh!


some characteristics of Trump haters:

pro open borders
pro war
pro working people paying $15,000 a year for health insurance
pro corruption because everybody does it right
pro violence to get what they want
anti constitution of the USA
anti free speech
anti american

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:02 pm

Ha.
Trump haters have 230 things that bother them.
Here is the list.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... s_why.html

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:28 pm

not even going to read a slate article
they're a propaganda arm of the Clinton campaign

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Aneesmoha » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:29 pm

Katto wrote:
Going South wrote:Trump haters != democrats

I don't like coffee. That does not make me tea lover. I hate tea too. Duh!


some characteristics of Trump haters:

pro open borders
pro war
pro working people paying $15,000 a year for health insurance
pro corruption because everybody does it right
pro violence to get what they want
anti constitution of the USA
anti free speech
anti american


Wait what??? You being sarcastic right??

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:15 pm

Aneesmoha wrote:
Katto wrote:
some characteristics of Trump haters:

pro open borders
pro war
pro working people paying $15,000 a year for health insurance
pro corruption because everybody does it right
pro violence to get what they want
anti constitution of the USA
anti free speech
anti american


Wait what??? You being sarcastic right??


no

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:38 pm

Katto wrote:not even going to read a slate article
they're a propaganda arm of the Clinton campaign

Ha. Don't read any media in any form either. Last checked they all favor Clinton.
Don't watch TV.
Don't read newspapers.
Don't read online websites.
Don't use social media.
Don't talk to people either as they too support Clinton.
That rock is the best place to crawl under.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Boycs » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:50 pm

Tomorrow it's all decided.

The world holds its breath.

Will it be the unpopular choice?

Or the lunatic?

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:47 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Tomorrow it's all decided.

The world holds its breath.

Will it be the unpopular choice?

Or the lunatic?


both

I expect Clinton to win

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Boycs » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:55 am

Me too.

Just.

But then I didn't expect we'd vote to leave the EU

America is a bit more divided than I remember at the moment.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Katto » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:59 am

BoyCaught30 wrote:Me too.

Just.

But then I didn't expect we'd vote to leave the EU

America is a bit more divided than I remember at the moment.


the current president did a great job at that

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Boycs » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:04 am

I had/have a lot of time for Obama.

The BBC has a rolling montage of election coverage clips here at the moment which includes a street interview with some southern white woman saying "Obama is a Muslim he's a terrorist"

What a Effing moron some people are. Idiots

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Misty » Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:06 am

Crap Trump
I wish Clinton H win
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:52 am

Misty wrote:Crap Trump
I wish Clinton H win

You forget that your jinx is waaaaaaaay powerful.

ROFL

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Re: Donald Trump

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Katto jinx is the strongest :cool: :up:

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Going South » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:49 pm

MANHATTAN — An 18-year-old Muslim college student who claimed three men screaming "Donald Trump!" attacked her on a Manhattan subway platform is being charged with filing a false report after admitting she made up the incident, sources told DNAinfo New York.

Yasmin Seweid, a Baruch College student, told police that she boarded a uptown No. 6 train at East 23rd St. on Dec. 1 and was called a "terrorist" by three drunken young white men.

She also claimed that when she moved to the other end of the train, one of the men followed her and tried to pull off her hajib before she fled.

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