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Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:08 pm

Anybody interested in the Winter Olympics?

Lots of headlines already... the man who died in training etc.

Any sports anybody is looking forward to? I'm here for ice skating. :D

I did find an article about India's team (sort of) too:


Indian Olympic team get donated uniforms in Vancouver
Shiva Keshavan at a practice session, Whistler, 10 February
Shiva Keshavan hopes to rank in the top 10 of the men's singles luge

Vancouver's Indo-Canadian community has rallied to provide funding and uniforms for India's three-man Winter Olympics team, local press reports say.

The owner of a sports shop donated track suits for the opening ceremonies, saying the rush was on to get the Indian flag embroidered onto the gear.

And a local Punjabi radio station is raising funds for the team - made up of a luger and two skiers.

The luge used by captain Shiva Keshavan is also donated - by lawyers in India.

Five lawyers chipped in 450,000 rupees ($9,700; £6,200) after Keshavan's old luge - held together by duct tape and screws - broke during training in November.

Alpine skier Jamyang Namgial and cross-country skier Tashi Lundup round out the team.

'You're kidding'

TJ Johal, the owner of Sports Unlimited in the Vancouver suburb of Surrey, told public broadcaster CBC that he was shocked to hear the team did not have proper uniforms for the opening ceremonies.

"My first reaction was, you're kidding me. They're from India, the land of clothing, and they have no clothes to wear? But that's just how it is in Third World countries," he said.

Shushma Datt, the owner of radio station RJ1200 - which bills itself as Vancouver's Bollywood Station - told the BBC it had raised 8,000 Canadian dollars (£4,875) at an impromptu fundraising event on Wednesday night, and that donations were still coming into a bank account set up for the athletes.

Team captain Shiva Keshavan, 28, who is competing in his fourth Winter Olympics, said he was grateful for all the help.

"To feel this kind of support from our community on the other side of the world from India, it is such a great feeling," he told television network CTV.

Mr Keshavan said he received his first funding of $20,000 (£12,800) from the Indian government last year, after more than a decade of competing.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8513201.stm

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby Lancashire Nick » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:56 pm

I'll watch bits and pieces when I can ..........and I'll definitely watch the Men's Ice Hockey , hoping Alexander the Great can win Gold for Russia.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:04 pm

I haven't watched much. I don't watch because I cannot appreciate the difficulty of what the ppl on screen do. I know it is extremely tough.. but as I have never participated in winter sports much I cannot realize how difficult what they are doing really is.

That said. What do you guys think about the Olympics so far?

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby SuperGLS » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:25 pm

The USA is destroying everyone. Go America go! Hahah. Honestly I don't care much, I just saw that we had quite a lead in the medal count right now.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VijayArumugam » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:44 pm

SuperGLS wrote:The USA is destroying everyone. Go America go! Hahah. Honestly I don't care much, I just saw that we had quite a lead in the medal count right now.


It was wonderful to watch the battle between Plushenko and Lysacekv in figure skating. It was a bit sad that the American beat the Russian for the gold.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VijayArumugam » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:50 pm

SuperGLS wrote:The USA is destroying everyone. Go America go! Hahah. Honestly I don't care much, I just saw that we had quite a lead in the medal count right now.


Oh yeah! When the whole judging system is programmed to support the Yanks (a bit like IPL and the despicable Modi), you'll dominate the medals.

Remember the 1988 and 1992 Summer Olympics, when we (Soviets and CIS) put you guys in your place. Of course, you guys "fixed" everything by the time Atlanta '96 came calling.

PS: I was just kidding. Just to let you know, I've grown up supporting the Soviets over the Americans in every sport. It's a bit like my support for Germany in Football and New Zealand in Rugby Union.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:06 pm

I'm here for the ice dance! Starts tonight. Go Kerrs! They were 5th at the Europeans so they have a good shot at placing high up, if not necessarily in medal contention.

I've been trying to watch quite a bit though...

I like the sliding events. They're insane and I'd never do them but it just looks -fun- even if I wince when they start rocking around. <<

Surprise liking was the snowboard cross... that was fun!

I'm not liking mongols skiing (it kept making me wince too much), I couldn't care less about hockey, alpine skiing seems rather dull and I've never been into marathons or cross country stuff. Somebody got knocked unconscious in it earlier though. :( I just don't find this stuff entertaining.

I like the speedskating, that's quite interesting.

Curling makes zero sense but is surprisingly watchable... well, the women are, as they're semi decent at it (by which I mean Great Britain). The men aren't doing so well.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby SuperGLS » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:47 pm

Vijay, no worries!

I figure the reason we have more medals is because we seem to have more people participating. You know, better odds.

timy, I like the curling myself. Haven't watched any yet. I suppose I might have missed it for good, huh?

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VijayArumugam » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:04 am

SuperGLS wrote:Vijay, no worries!

I figure the reason we have more medals is because we seem to have more people participating. You know, better odds.



May be it's got to do with the amount of money spent on sporting infrastructure and the sporting culture that's imbibed on the minds of young American kids and the sheer bloody-mindedness and pride of the Americans to excel in tough conditions?

PS: Did I blabber the truth, by any chance? Go Soviet Union, er, Russia! :-)

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:12 am

Nope SuperGLS! Round robin first, so each team plays 9 matches. At the most people have played 4 or 5, and then I think there's semi finals etc. Lots of curling to come.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VijayArumugam » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:15 am

On a side note, when international ODI cricket used to be played in Toronto, Canada, in the mid-1990s, it was played at the Toronto Cricket, Skating and Curling Club.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby SuperGLS » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:48 am

timy, good to know.

VijayArumugam wrote:May be it's got to do with the amount of money spent on sporting infrastructure and the sporting culture that's imbibed on the minds of young American kids and the sheer bloody-mindedness and pride of the Americans to excel in tough conditions?


This too! I was going to put how I thought another reason is the ability for people to make money (and perhaps a living) from these types of things in America, whereas I don't imagine the same can be said of all other countries.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:42 am

Britain won their first medal, and it's a gold. :D In skeleton of all things.

SuperGLS, the USA curling team has been having a shocker though - hopefully they'll start playing better when you start watching!

I've heard a lot of complaints about how NBC cover (or rather don't cover) the Olympics though

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:00 am

The Kerrs are in 8th after the Compulsory Dance. :D Still Original Dance and Free Dance to go over the next few days

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby Roy » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:11 am

i've watched precisely none of it

coverage of Olympics here is generally unwatchable at the best of times..but there are no sports that really interest me here

Blades of Glory was a good movie though 8-)

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VFE » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:55 am

The Olympics (both) are full of too many games pretending to be sports which are 'judged' by 'experts'.

Even something like ski jumping where there is a way of saying who is the best is ruined by people judging 'style'. Its jumping as far as you can.....the winner should be the person who jumps the furthest!

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:21 pm

I find it funny that if you search for olympic curling you tend to find quite a lot of "CURLING ISN'T EVEN A SPORT!" :D

It is a bit weird how subjective things can be though. :/

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VFE » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:24 pm

I would count Curling as a sport. It requires skill and and there is a clear not subjective scoring system.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:36 pm

Yea curling is tough. I like playing it on the Wii.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby Cevno » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:26 pm

Curling is the only sport worth watching for me in the olympics.

Isn't there a similar sport played on grass with balls in the commonwealth games?What is that sport called?
I think i watched it a lot the last time.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:18 pm

Bowls

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:34 pm

Bowls is amazing!

I understand how that scores more than curling bizarrely

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:00 pm

Curling rules are easy to understand. The person closest to the center wins. The object is to get your stone closer than the opponents by blasting away their stones from the center or squeezing yours in closer to the center. The game's a lot tougher than it seems btw. A good sport to play for those who are not very athletically inclined.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:23 pm

Yeah, but my confusion comes from how the points are scored

A 1 I understand

Getting 2 or 3 I don't

I'm beginning to think it just means there are 2 or 3 closer to the centre than the other team?

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:40 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling#Scoring
After both teams have delivered eight stones, the team with the stone closest to the button is awarded one point for each of its own stones that is closer than the opponent's closest stone. Stones that are not in the house (further from the centre than the outer edge of the 12-foot (3.7 m) ring) do not score even if no opponent's stone is closer

Eight points (all the rocks thrown by one team counting) is the highest score possible in an end, and is known as an "eight-ender" or "snowman".


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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:01 am

Blast, British women threw that match away

First bad game for our skip though, and she's only my age when the other team have way more experience, so can't complain too much... 3 wins, 3 losses for Britain in the round robin with 3 games left to play.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:43 am

Bobsleigh is utterly utterly insane

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby Lancashire Nick » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:07 pm

timydamonkey wrote:Bobsleigh is utterly utterly insane


I once stood at the top of the Ski Jump in Innsbruck :shock: ............... anyone who actually takes part in the event should be carted off to the nearest mental institution for treatment.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:40 pm

Kerrs finished 8th in the ice dance, I still like their free dance best :P They should get extra marks for coming up with different music choices (along with one or two other teams last night...) and mixing things up a bit.

It's always frustrating to watch them however. EVERY time I see them one of them makes an error on the twizzles. Happened in the original dance, in the free dance... very frustrating!

If you're in the UK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic ... 529653.stm

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:04 pm

Contests that are judged shouldn't be Olympic events IMO. How can one error-free performance be judged more worthy than another?

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:07 pm

Ice dance it makes some sort of sense in that they're all judged on required elements, but they have different sets of difficulty etc. Someone can be flawless and do a less difficult programme and so it wouldn't be as good as somebody making one error with much higher difficulty.

I think they changed the scoring system as the older one was -too- subjective, so now it's got a lot of technicalities

On the other hand, it's subjective when it comes down to it when factoring in performance scores etc.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:11 pm

Aren't style pts also subjective?

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VFE » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:17 pm

Yeah. Not a sport.

It is entertaining though.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:17 pm

That's what I mean.

I think the heavier score weight is on difficulty though. I'm not an expert but that's the impression I get... take a look at the results and the score differences, too:

http://winterolympics.external.bbc.co.u ... index.html

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VFE » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:21 pm

Even if they weight scores and its based on difficulty its still someones judgement, in fact several peoples judgement.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:25 pm

Eh... difficulty is a judgement in some respects, but it's a set thing I think. The difficulty scoring is understood by the skaters when they sort out the programme... the bit that is unpredictable and thus the problematic subjectivity is the rest of it, imo.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby VFE » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:29 pm

Well it is set but not in stone or why have judges?

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:31 pm

Here we go:

THE JUDGING SYSTEM

Turin in 2006 saw the Olympic debut of a new system designed to eliminate the risk of biased judging.


THE SALT LAKE SCANDAL
A row blew up when Canadians Jamie Sale and David Pelletier were awarded silver behind Russian pair Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze
The Canadians had skated a seemingly flawless programme, while their rivals had appeared to make some technical errors
A French judge claimed she had been pressured into favouring the Russians
It was eventually decided that the two pairs should share the gold medal

This was prompted by events in the pairs competition at the last Winter Games in Salt Lake City, when the gold medals had to be shared after a judging scandal marred the event.

In the past, judges gave one mark for technical merit and one for artistic impression, with 6.0 the maximum that could be awarded in each case.

Under the new, more complicated system, each programme is now given a technical score and a score for 'programme components'.

Technical score

Each jump, spin, lift or step sequence is given a 'base value' before the competition begins. A triple axel, for example, is worth 7.5.

It is the job of a 'technical specialist' to decide during a skater's routine which move has been executed - whether it is a double or a triple axel, for example. Two assistants are on hand to correct any errors.


DID YOU KNOW?
The first ice skating blades were made from wood, bone or antlers

As that happens, the nine judges - drawn randomly from a panel of 12 - each decide how well the element has been executed.

They use a scale ranging from -3 to +3. The highest and lowest of these nine marks are taken away, and the average of the remaining marks taken.

This average is then added to the 'base value' to obtain a mark for each element which goes towards the final score.

Programme components

The old artistic impression mark has been replaced by a set of five judging criteria, each with a scoring scale ranging from 0.25 to a maximum of 10.

Skating skills - reflects the general quality of the skating.

Transitions - covers how well the skater has executed the steps which link each element.

Performance/execution - assesses style, posture and changes in speed.

Choreography - how well the movements, steps and music work together as a whole.

Interpretation/timing - how well the skater works in time with the music.

Skating guide

Apart from the skates, all that is required in figure skating is a costume - but choosing the right outfit is a tricky business.

Costumes must complement the music and moves for maximum dramatic effect, and they are custom-made at great expense.

The more eye-catching, the better.

Men must wear full-length trousers, and the skaters' clothing "must not give the effect of excessive nudity for athletic sport".

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic ... 459800.stm

I don't disagree its subjective btw - but it's heading in the right way to be -less- subjective

And selfishly, I like ice dance in the Olympics as it rarely gets TV time otherwise :P

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby SuperGLS » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:12 am

Looks like the USA took home the most medals, though not the most gold's and we also couldn't beat the Canadians in hockey (real hockey).

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby stargirl » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:24 pm

SuperGLS wrote:Looks like the USA took home the most medals, though not the most gold's and we also couldn't beat the Canadians in hockey (real hockey).

He he, a jibe at field hockey?

to be fair, the US hockey team was ranked 6th before this Olympics, wasn't it? To compete with gold was pretty good for them, I thought, but the Canadians couldn't be beat...

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby bharathh » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:58 pm

Russia and Norway had a poor Olympics as well.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby timydamonkey » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:27 pm

We were only expected around 3 or 4 so not absolutely terrible.

Good job for Pakistan - position doesn't matter. Participating at all is a step up, and qualifying... the experience may help him lots. :)

I try and cheer a little for the teams with few athletes present who've had a very uphill battle just qualifying.

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Re: Winter Olympics 2010

Postby frankken2 » Sat May 22, 2010 10:28 am

"To feel this kind of support from our community on the other side of the world from India, it is such a great feeling," . :roll: