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Postby Leo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:57 am

Let's have some other game draft. I already proposed for Football (Soccer) Draft.

For example: You have to build your club team with 11 players, give a name of your club and select a manager/coach for ur club etc. Or even international team with 11 players and a coach/manager.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Verity » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:13 am

I'd be in on that Leo but not sure how popular the game is amongst the other Cfers.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:23 am

Well, after all we are sports fan.
May be we prefer cricket rather than any other sports but football is the most popular game in the world.

One problem is I cannot run a game like you people. I am not that expert :P
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Asim » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:58 am

No idea about soccer
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Cherry » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:44 am

Asim wrote:No idea about soccer


+1 oh yeah...Messi, Ronaldo and thats it! :confused:

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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:06 am

:|

Better to concentrate on cricket related draft only.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Verity » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:17 am

Leo wrote:Well, after all we are sports fan.
May be we prefer cricket rather than any other sports but football is the most popular game in the world.

One problem is I cannot run a game like you people. I am not that expert :P


Have a go, after all the criticism I copped you can't go any worse :lol:
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Synergy » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:19 am

^This. Just start a thread up and see how much interest there is. Probably best not to have too many restrictions though.

Then again there are so many good football players.

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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:46 am

Verity wrote:Have a go, after all the criticism I copped you can't go any worse :lol:


Motivated :)

Let's see.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Boycs » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:27 pm

I'll join in for shits and giggles have no clue about footballers

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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:01 pm

Well the draft game format works well for cricket. You know you can look the stats of any player up in cricinfo and base an opinion on it. So many things to look at. Which era did he score in. Which countries, what kind of pitches he did well on. etc. You can look scorecards up and see his impact. It gives you a pretty good idea about what kind of player he was even if you never seen him play.

For Football you have nothing like that. No such data is registered that can tell you how good a defender played in a certain game. Only goals and assists are registered.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Boycs » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:51 pm

There must be stars for defenders even though I've no idea what they are.

But I suppose afghan is right. I mean, if I was to riff a potential draft team off the top of my head:

Pele
Catona
Henri
Ronaldo
George best
Giggs
Messi
Maradona
Schmeichel (gk)
Beckham
Bobby charlton

But for all the great players I've probably picked 7 strikers and no backs cause all the names I can think of are in my head for their goals, their captaincy or their pop culture status (which they probably got from scoring goals)

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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:17 pm

Your team looks exciting, but would most probably never win a tournament. You have selected 1 keeper and 10 midfielders/forwards. Like picking no bowlers and batters in cricket.

All time team for me and I am picking based on those I have seen and those I like.

Messi---------Ronaldo---------Maradonna


-----Zidane--------Makalele------C.Ronaldo


Carlos/Maldini------Sergio Ramos---Nesta----Lahm/Cafu

------------Casillias/Schmeichel/Buffon

And yet you can pick 12842 other players world class as well.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:30 pm

afghankhan wrote:Your team looks exciting, but would most probably never win a tournament. You have selected 1 keeper and 10 midfielders/forwards. Like picking no bowlers and batters in cricket.

All time team for me and I am picking based on those I have seen and those I like.

Messi---------Ronaldo---------Maradonna


-----Zidane--------Makalele------C.Ronaldo


Carlos/Maldini------Sergio Ramos---Nesta----Lahm/Cafu

------------Casillias/Schmeichel/Buffon

And yet you can pick 12842 other players world class as well.


For all time team if you picking without bias then for left back you almost always pick either Maldini or Roberto Carlos.
For right back Lahm and Cafu are good choices. For center backs I picked Ramos and Nesta, but you can easily pick many many others.

C.Ronaldo
Zidane
Messi
Maradonna
Pele
Ronaldinho
Cryuf
Di Stefano
Ronaldo - the Brazillian

All these players and many more can be picked for the offensive positions depending on taste.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:12 am

1. Lev Yasin: Russia (Goalkeeper)

2. Roberto Carlos da Silva Rocha: Brazil(Left Back)
3. Robert Frederick Chelsea Moore: England (Central Back)
4. Franz Anton Beckenbauer (Central Back)
5. Paolo Cesare Maldini: Italy (Right Back)

6. Zinedine Yazid Zidane: France (Left Midfielder)
7. Diego Armando Maradona Franco: Argentina (Central Midfielder)
8. Hendrik Johannes Cruijff: Netherlands (Right Midfielder)

9. Romário de Souza Faria: Brazil (Left Forward)
10. Edson Arantes do Nascimento (Pele): Brazil (Central Forward)
11. Lionel Andrés Messi: Argentina (Right Forward)

Formation: 4-3-3

Coach / Manager: Vicente del Bosque González (Spain)
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby TedWard » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:38 am

If you took Roberto Carols's free kicks away from him - was he actually that good?

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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:18 am

Only 3 from above are unquestionable to be there. Lev Yasin, Pele & Maradona. You can ask question against rest of 8 players. Like de Stefano, Garincha, Baggio, Christiano Ronaldo, Brazilian Ronaldo etc. are not in the team.

You have more than 15 option against Robarto Carlos. So . . . . Hope you got it.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:28 pm

TedWard wrote:If you took Roberto Carols's free kicks away from him - was he actually that good?


Yes.
He was very very fast. What makes you a quality back in football is that you are able to support the attack and be back in time to defend.
What made Carlos quality was he was very offensive, but he did not suck defensively. He could overlap and leave people behind because he was so quick and cross to the players awaiting in the penalty area - to the forwards.

He was good technically and even thought he was very low his heading abilities were not the worst.

But yes what makes him stand out was his unique and extremely strong shooting abilities.

So yes if he could not shoot with that force that he could - he might not have been remembered as all time great, because his other abilities is not better then many other world class left back players.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:29 pm

Leo wrote:1. Lev Yasin: Russia (Goalkeeper)

2. Roberto Carlos da Silva Rocha: Brazil(Left Back)
3. Robert Frederick Chelsea Moore: England (Central Back)
4. Franz Anton Beckenbauer (Central Back)
5. Paolo Cesare Maldini: Italy (Right Back)

6. Zinedine Yazid Zidane: France (Left Midfielder)
7. Diego Armando Maradona Franco: Argentina (Central Midfielder)
8. Hendrik Johannes Cruijff: Netherlands (Right Midfielder)

9. Romário de Souza Faria: Brazil (Left Forward)
10. Edson Arantes do Nascimento (Pele): Brazil (Central Forward)
11. Lionel Andrés Messi: Argentina (Right Forward)

Formation: 4-3-3

Coach / Manager: Vicente del Bosque González (Spain)


Maldini is not a right back. He was left back.

And btw. your nr. 6,7,8,9,10,11 does not like and cannot defend either. They don't like the hard work that is needed in the midfield to win matches.
Basically when opposition is attacking you have only 4 players to do all your defensive work. Will never work in real life. It looks good on paper, but again this team cannot win a championship.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:31 pm

Leo wrote:Only 3 from above are unquestionable to be there. Lev Yasin, Pele & Maradona. You can ask question against rest of 8 players. Like de Stefano, Garincha, Baggio, Christiano Ronaldo, Brazilian Ronaldo etc. are not in the team.

You have more than 15 option against Robarto Carlos. So . . . . Hope you got it.


I have not seen Lev Yasin or Pele in action, so will never select them in all time 11.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Asim » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:33 pm

Isn't Pele the Bradman or Sobers of soccer?
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:40 pm

Asim wrote:Isn't Pele the Bradman or Sobers of soccer?


He is considered all time best.
Never understood why. He won 3 WC's. First time as only 17 years old. I don't think anyone else done this, but it's also much harder to win a WC now compared to his time.
He played in a different time when Football in my opinion was not as competitive as now.
He was the best of his time no doubt.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:49 am

afghankhan wrote:
Leo wrote:1. Lev Yasin: Russia (Goalkeeper)

2. Roberto Carlos da Silva Rocha: Brazil(Left Back)
3. Robert Frederick Chelsea Moore: England (Central Back)
4. Franz Anton Beckenbauer (Central Back)
5. Paolo Cesare Maldini: Italy (Right Back)

6. Zinedine Yazid Zidane: France (Left Midfielder)
7. Diego Armando Maradona Franco: Argentina (Central Midfielder)
8. Hendrik Johannes Cruijff: Netherlands (Right Midfielder)

9. Romário de Souza Faria: Brazil (Left Forward)
10. Edson Arantes do Nascimento (Pele): Brazil (Central Forward)
11. Lionel Andrés Messi: Argentina (Right Forward)

Formation: 4-3-3

Coach / Manager: Vicente del Bosque González (Spain)


Maldini is not a right back. He was left back.

And btw. your nr. 6,7,8,9,10,11 does not like and cannot defend either. They don't like the hard work that is needed in the midfield to win matches.
Basically when opposition is attacking you have only 4 players to do all your defensive work. Will never work in real life. It looks good on paper, but again this team cannot win a championship.


I saw Pele's gameplay on TV. I read a comment from Pele about Lev Yashin that when he first play against Yashin, for the first time in his career Pele thought that it's not possible to score against this man.

However, if I ask you who is better Messi or Ronaldo or Neimer, you cannot answer this question on a straight way. There is debate always. So according to their national team performance sometimes those 6,7,8,9,10,11 won the game alone. That's why they are considered the best.

And this team was actually the FIFA world cup dream team. I only took Messi in place of Garincha as he is my favorite :)
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:54 am

afghankhan wrote:
Leo wrote:Only 3 from above are unquestionable to be there. Lev Yasin, Pele & Maradona. You can ask question against rest of 8 players. Like de Stefano, Garincha, Baggio, Christiano Ronaldo, Brazilian Ronaldo etc. are not in the team.

You have more than 15 option against Robarto Carlos. So . . . . Hope you got it.


I have not seen Lev Yasin or Pele in action, so will never select them in all time 11.


According to your one Test Draft, I remember you picked Mike Procter, Geoff Boycott, Ted Dexter, Fazal Mahmood etc. You saw them to play??? :?
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:01 pm

Leo wrote:
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Maldini is not a right back. He was left back.

And btw. your nr. 6,7,8,9,10,11 does not like and cannot defend either. They don't like the hard work that is needed in the midfield to win matches.
Basically when opposition is attacking you have only 4 players to do all your defensive work. Will never work in real life. It looks good on paper, but again this team cannot win a championship.


I saw Pele's gameplay on TV. I read a comment from Pele about Lev Yashin that when he first play against Yashin, for the first time in his career Pele thought that it's not possible to score against this man.

However, if I ask you who is better Messi or Ronaldo or Neimer, you cannot answer this question on a straight way. There is debate always. So according to their national team performance sometimes those 6,7,8,9,10,11 won the game alone. That's why they are considered the best.

And this team was actually the FIFA world cup dream team. I only took Messi in place of Garincha as he is my favorite :)


So Pele is not god. Pele found difficult to come against Lev Yashin does not make him the best keeper ever. He surely is one of the best, but you can as well go with 5-6 other keepers.

Your 6,7,8,9,10 and 11 are individually great players, no doubt, but it ruins the balance of the team to have so many offensive players that cannot defend.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby afghankhan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:05 pm

Leo wrote:
afghankhan wrote:
I have not seen Lev Yasin or Pele in action, so will never select them in all time 11.


According to your one Test Draft, I remember you picked Mike Procter, Geoff Boycott, Ted Dexter, Fazal Mahmood etc. You saw them to play??? :?


I have stats to base those picks on. Nothing like that in Football. Besides there are 1000 times more great footballers then cricketers. Also Football gone through a positive revolution, so the average player in 1950 is not as good as average player today. Game become more tactical, more focus on fitness etc.
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Re: T20 DRAFT 2015 - SELECTIONS

Postby Leo » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:52 pm

afghankhan wrote:Your 6,7,8,9,10 and 11 are individually great players, no doubt, but it ruins the balance of the team to have so many offensive players that cannot defend.


Leo wrote:Only 3 from above are unquestionable to be there. Lev Yasin, Pele & Maradona. You can ask question against rest of 8 players. Like de Stefano, Garincha, Baggio, Christiano Ronaldo, Brazilian Ronaldo etc. are not in the team.

You have more than 15 option against Robarto Carlos. So . . . . Hope you got it.


It's just my best XI of all time :)
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Re: Football Draft Discussion

Postby Verity » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:37 pm

If we do end up doing a football draft delete all posts where names are mentioned.
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Re: Football Draft Discussion

Postby GpeL » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:45 pm

You fikking dorks.. how come no mention of Sourav G.ungli or Chinchin or Chucktharan yet?

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Re: Football Draft Discussion

Postby Going South » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:16 pm

For what?
Cricket or football?

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Re: Football Draft Discussion

Postby GpeL » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:29 am

how does it matter,, in cf if you dont discuss them atleast once per thread it is illegal