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Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:19 pm

Hosted at Bhubaneswar (Odisha, India):

MATCH # DATE INFO TIME* TEAMS
1 November 28, 2018 Pool C 17:00  BEL - CAN 
2 November 28, 2018 Pool C 19:00  IND - RSA 
3 November 29, 2018 Pool A 17:00  ARG - ESP 
4 November 29, 2018 Pool A 19:00  NZL - FRA 
5 November 30, 2018 Pool B 17:00  AUS - IRL 
6 November 30, 2018 Pool B 19:00  ENG - CHN 
7 December 1, 2018 Pool D 17:00  NED - MAS 
8 December 1, 2018 Pool D 19:00  GER - PAK 
9 December 2, 2018 Pool C 17:00  CAN - RSA 
10 December 2, 2018 Pool C 19:00  IND - BEL 
11 December 3, 2018 Pool A 17:00  ESP - FRA 
12 December 3, 2018 Pool A 19:00  NZL - ARG 
13 December 4, 2018 Pool B 17:00  ENG - AUS 
14 December 4, 2018 Pool B 19:00  IRL - CHN 
15 December 5, 2018 Pool D 17:00  GER - NED 
16 December 5, 2018 Pool D 19:00  MAS - PAK 
17 December 6, 2018 Pool A 17:00  ESP - NZL 
18 December 6, 2018 Pool A 19:00  ARG - FRA 
19 December 7, 2018 Pool B 17:00  AUS - CHN 
20 December 7, 2018 Pool B 19:00  IRL - ENG 
21 December 8, 2018 Pool C 17:00  BEL - RSA 
22 December 8, 2018 Pool C 19:00  CAN - IND 
23 December 9, 2018 Pool D 17:00  MAS - GER 
24 December 9, 2018 Pool D 19:00  NED - PAK 
25 December 10, 2018 Cross-over 16:45 2nd Pool A - 3rd Pool B
26 December 10, 2018 Cross-over 19:00 2nd Pool B - 3rd Pool A
27 December 11, 2018 Cross-over 16:45 2nd Pool C - 3rd Pool D
28 December 11, 2018 Cross-over 19:00 2nd Pool D - 3rd Pool C
29 December 12, 2018 QF 16:45 1st Pool A - Winner 26
30 December 12, 2018 QF 19:00 1st Pool B - Winner 25
31 December 13, 2018 QF 16:45 1st Pool C - Winner 28
32 December 13, 2018 QF 19:00 1st Pool D - Winner 27
33 December 15, 2018 SF 1 16:00 Winner 29 - Winner 32
34 December 15, 2018 SF 2 18:30 Winner 30 - Winner 31
35 December 16, 2018 Bronze Medal 16:30 Loser 33 - Loser 34
36 December 16, 2018 Gold Medal 19:00 Winner 33 - Winner 34

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:23 pm

Our hockey has been on a decline now - on top of that, we're playing in a hostile country.
If we win even one match (and the only hope is against Malaysia, considering we are in the Pool of Death), it'll be an achievement.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby Going South » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:43 pm

what a disappointment. once pakistan were world’s best. now they are at the bottom. is cricket reason for hockey decline in the subcontinent?

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:53 am

Going South wrote:what a disappointment. once pakistan were world’s best. now they are at the bottom. is cricket reason for hockey decline in the subcontinent?

Can't speak for my country but yes, for your country, I think cricket has played some part in the decline.
But it's only one of the factors.

It all started with Indian hockey administration being incompetent.

I think the biggest reason is the surface change. From grass to astro-turf.

In the mid-late 70s, when the world was rapidly moving towards astro-turf, the need of the hour was for India to keep pace with this development. But your country didn't.

You hardly had any astro-turf facilities. You kept practising and playing on grass at domestic level. And suddenly at international level, you need to play on astro-turf. Very different surface, speeds, trapping technique is different.

From the mid-70s (ironically, after winning the World Cup in Kuala Lumpur in 1975), the decline started.

Nothing succeeds like success, nothing fails like failure.

Once the Indian hockey team began losing, people began losing interest. (Like with Windies in cricket in 1990s).

Naturally, money began flowing out of hockey into cricket.

The problem had a compounding effect.

Fewer youngsters wanted to get into hockey as they saw no future in it.

So yes, while cricket did take some of the attention away from hockey, I blame hockey administrators the most.

They just didn't ensure they kept pace with developments around the world.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:57 am

This gives an idea of where India once was - and where it now is.

Right now, the Indian men's and women's hockey teams are sponsored by the Govt of Odisha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_men ... ockey_team

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:19 am

India's problem has been the chopping and changing of coaches.

I had a thread on this.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:06 am

A bizarre musical chair: Indian men’s hockey team and its head coaches in the past decade


“We all know India is not the easiest of countries to work - especially in the sporting sector because of a host of issues. But in my mind, I was always prepared. When I took up the offer, I knew someday I will be sacked but I was ready for that.”

This was Roelant Oltmans’ reaction after he was let go from the position of the men’s team head coach in 2017. It ever was thus.

Taking up the mantle of the head coach of the Indian hockey men’s team is akin to walk a tightrope blind-folded, knowing patience is not a virtue that Hockey India is blessed with in abundance.

When Sjoerd Marijne was appointed the head coach for the men in blue to replace Oltmans, the consensus seemed to be: why not Harendra Singh? Why not give the responsibility to a man who knows the setup better than anyone? Instead, Hockey India asked Marijne to leave his job with the women’s team, and take over the men’s. And less than a year since that strange decision, we are back to square one.

Here’s a look at the musical chair that has been the men’s head coach position since 2009, starting when Hockey India was founded.

Jose Brasa (May 2009 to November 2010)
The Spaniard Jose Brasa took over at a tricky time, when the failure to qualify for Beijing Olympics was still fresh in the mind of every hockey fan in the country. But under Brasa’s guidance India had won a silver medal at the 2010 Delhi Commonwealth Games and a bronze at Guangzhou Asian Games. He had joined as India coach in May 2009 and was given an initial contract till 2010 Asian Games and was expected to oversee till the 2012 Olympics campaign. But failure to qualify directly for the Olympics meant Hockey India chose not to extend his contract.

Michael Nobbs (June 2011 to June 2013)
Australian Michael Nobbs was unceremoniously sacked as Indian hockey team’s chief coach due to non-performance, and he became, then, the fourth foreign coach to be shown the door before completion of the full tenure.

Nobbs, who took over the charge in 2011, was offered a five-year contract and a handsome salary, but his association with Indian hockey lasted merely two years

The highlight, if you could call it that, of Nobbs’s tenure was India’s qualification for 2012 London Olympics after having missed the Beijing edition of the Games. But the eight-time Olympic champions finished last at the London Games and from thereon it was always going to be a case of when and not if Nobbs would get the sack. The Australian came under further scrutiny after India failed to book a direct ticket for the World Cup in The Hague, Netherlands, finishing sixth out of eight teams in FIH World League semifinal at Rotterdam.

Terry Walsh (October 2013 to October 2014)
Stifled by “bureaucratic confines”, there was confusion over what made Terry Walsh quit his post during a fairly successful regime. The Australian was the man who oversaw the team’s triumph at the Asian Games in Incheon, ending a 16-year wait and confirming an Olympic berth.

Hockey India was left confused, though admitting it was a disaster waiting to happen because, “there is too much of interference, too much of delay from the government side which has been bothering.” The Sports Authority of India washed off its hands, citing they barely interacted on a day-to-day basis.

“I am finding considerable difficulty adjusting to the decision making style of the sporting bureaucracy in India which I believe, in the long term, is not in the best interests of Indian Hockey or it’s players,” said Walsh under who India also won a silver in Glasgow Commonwealth Games.

Paul van Ass (January 2015 to June 2015)
This episode was as bizarre as it could get. Less than half a year after his appointment, during the World Hockey League Semi-Finals in Belgium, the coach was reportedly left miffed about HI president Narinder Batra’s involvement in running the team’s affairs, in particular his attempt to take over a team meeting.

“After our win over Malaysia Dr. Batra came on the pitch and spoke to players in Hindi. I thought he was commending the players but instead it turned out he was criticising the players,” van Ass said from Netherlands, while informing the media that he was fired and he won’t be returning.

“Then I jumped and because pitch is my area and I need to protect my players. Also I felt we played quite well in that match and won it.”

A hurt Van Ass, however, said if asked he is still willing to resume his duties and return back to India.

“Don’t ask me anything, ask Hockey India. I didn’t step aside… I was asked to go,” he said.

Oh, well.

Roelant Oltmans (August 2015 to Sep 2017)
From Pakistan to India and back to Pakistan - not many have had an international coaching career as exciting as Roelant Oltmans. The Dutchman who came to India in 2013 as High Performance Director was made head coach after van Ass’ unceremonious sacking, with less than a year to go for Rio Olympics.

Oltmans said the day he took up the role he emphasized on the need to set long-term goals for Indian hockey to revive its past glory.

“My plans from day one was to set long-term goals for India hockey to put the house in order and achieve a level a consistency. I had always said that India need 6 years to be in the top 3,” he was quoted as saying by PTI.

“But it seems it’s different in India. People want overnight results. But it takes to build a process after a slump. In India it’s all about winning a tournament, everyone thinks from the point of view of a fan. It takes time.”

Sjoerd Marijne (Sep 2017 to May 2018)
Should it have been Sjoerd Marijne in the first place? There was, and still is, a school of thought that Marijne should not have been given the job when Oltmans was asked to step aside. Here is a man, with no previous experience of coaching a men’s national side, asked to leave his job as the women’s national team coach and take over.

The results were not bad either. An undefeated campaign at the Asia Cup, a good run at the HWL Final in Bhubaneshwar, a successful test series against New Zealand meant Marijne was taking this squad on the right track before disappointments at the Sultan Azlan Shah Cup (with a heavily rotated squad) and the no-medal show at Gold Coast, meant the sword of Damocles (read: Hockey India) was hanging over the Dutchman’s head.

Initial reports suggested that the major fallout from CWG was going to be a change in captaincy (PR Sreejesh reclaimed it from Manpreet Singh), but, as it turned out, Marijne and Harendra Singh are now at positions where many thought they should have originally been last year anyway.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:30 am

India off to a good start, as is Belgium.
India beat South Africa 5-0
Belgium beat Canada 2-1.

Much sterner tests await India, but this should give the players some confidence already.

Although I don't support BCCI, I do support India in hockey. :-)

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby givemeahug786 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:18 am

NZ beat France in Hockey yesterday

NZ captain Arun Panchiya's Grand Father moved in NZ in 1920, indian newspaper says.Matter of fact Aruns mother and sister will visits to india
Soon as Nov - Feb NRI seasons in india

Couple of Panchiya family players presently playing for NZ hockey team now
Ind trashed pak as Markande, Rajpoot
shines.(Himmat/Nitish shared 8 sixes)

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:37 pm

Australia beats Ireland 2-1
England are held to a 2-2 draw by China.

First time I'm hearing of China as a hockey nation.

Good to see.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:38 pm

Tomorrow we take on Germany.
Wish our team all the best!

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby Going South » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:47 pm

raja wrote:Tomorrow we take on Germany.
Wish our team all the best!

good luck Germany. all the best. ;)

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:40 am

raja wrote:Australia beats Ireland 2-1
England are held to a 2-2 draw by China.

First time I'm hearing of China as a hockey nation.

Good to see.


China holding England to a draw is a huge upset.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:41 am

Pakistani players behaving like hooligans some years ago at the same venue.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby givemeahug786 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:53 am

Holly shit !!!!
What the hail they doing?
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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby givemeahug786 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:56 am

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Going South wrote:what a disappointment. once pakistan were world’s best. now they are at the bottom. is cricket reason for hockey decline in the subcontinent?

poor mgmt
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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:57 pm

bolero wrote:Pakistani players behaving like hooligans some years ago at the same venue.


Here is more about that incident.
I don't know if there was a trigger for such behaviour, but it was unacceptable behaviour - and our players should have apologised for it.

https://www.firstpost.com/sports/how-in ... 54417.html

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby raja » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:00 pm

Anyway, we lost today to Germany 0-1.
Not unexpected - we are in the pool of death, will be lucky if we win any game at all, given our recent performances.
Only hope is against Malaysia - which got thrashed 0-7 today by the Netherlands.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby givemeahug786 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:55 pm

Pakistan beat Germany looks like Raja has good weekend after
Unexpected DBL victory

Is it old news?
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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:29 pm

India Belgium exciting 2-2 draw.

India were outplayed by the Olympic Silver medalists in the 1st half but bounced back in the 2nd half.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:33 pm

raja wrote:
bolero wrote:Pakistani players behaving like hooligans some years ago at the same venue.


Here is more about that incident.
I don't know if there was a trigger for such behaviour, but it was unacceptable behaviour - and our players should have apologised for it.

https://www.firstpost.com/sports/how-in ... 54417.html


It was done to provoke the Indian fans and also at the time, India were slightly better than Pakistan.

Indian Hockey Federation retaliated by banning Pak players from Hockey India League, which has players worldwide.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby squarecut » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:11 pm

The Indian policy of isolating Pakistan internationally has yielded good results overall and quite excellent results in sports. India at present holds lucrative leagues in several sports viz Cricket, Kabaddi, Hockey etc where players from other countries are welcomed and showered with good money, with Pakistani players missing out as they are not welcome.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:33 am

Pool A
1) Argentina - Played: 2 Won: 2 Drawn: 0 Lost: 0 Points: 6 Goal Difference: +4

2) New Zealand - Played: 2 Won: 1 Drawn: 0 Lost: 1 Points: 3 Goal Difference: -2

3) Spain - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -1

4) France - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -1

Pool B
1) Australia - Played: 2 Won: 2 Drawn: 0 Lost: 0 Points: 6 Goal Difference: +4

2) China - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 2 Lost: 0 Points: 2 Goal Difference: 0

3) Ireland - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -1

4) England - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -3

Pool C
1) India - Played: 2 Won: 1 Drawn: 1 Lost: 0 Points: 4 Goal Difference: +5

2) Belgium - Played: 2 Won: 1 Drawn: 1 Lost: 0 Points: 4 Goal Difference: +1

3) Canada - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -1

4) South Africa - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -5

Pool D
1) Germany - Played: 2 Won: 2 Drawn: 0 Lost: 0 Points: 6 Goal Difference: +4

2) Netherlands - Played: 2 Won: 1 Drawn: 0 Lost: 1 Points: 3 Goal Difference: +4

3) Pakistan - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -1

4) Malaysia - Played: 2 Won: 0 Drawn: 1 Lost: 1 Points: 1 Goal Difference: -7

As per the new format of the tournament, after the group stage, the team which tops each pool, will directly qualify for the quarterfinals. The team which is at the last position, gets eliminated. The second and third teams from each pool will enter the crossovers. In the crossovers, these eight teams will play a knockout game, and the 4 winners will reach the quarterfinals.

In this segment, we try and pick the probable toppers of the four pools, who will directly reach the last eight.

In Pool A, Olympic champions Argentina, look almost certain, to finish at the top and reach the last eight directly. In order to ensure their place at the top, they require just a draw against minnows, France, in their last game. If New Zealand fails to win against Spain by a big margin, then Argentina will remain at the top,even if they lose against France.

In Pool B, World Number 1, Australia has sealed the top spot in the pool, with two wins in two matches, against Ireland and England.

In Pool C, hosts India is at the top with 4 points from two games. Olympic Runners-up Belgium is also at four points, but India is ahead because of better goal difference. In the last group match, if both India and Belgium win against Canada and South Africa, respectively, then whoever ends up with a better goal difference, will end at the top of the group. Although theoretically, all four teams can reach the top, but realistically India is the favourite to do so, with a very good goal difference.

In Pool D, World Number 6, Germany has produced two brilliant performances against Pakistan and Netherlands, in their first two matches. If they do not falter in their final group match, against Malaysia, then the Germans will top the group and reach the last eight. Netherlands also have a slim chance of topping the group. But for them to do so, Germany has to lose to Malaysia and they have to beat Pakistan.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:12 pm

India beat Canada 5-1 to top their pool.

Belgium finishes second.

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Postby bolero » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:18 am

India will play Netherlands in the QF. Do or die.

Very tough match for India.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:58 pm

Belgium upset Germany to storm into semis.

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Re: Men's World Cup Hockey 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:58 pm

India lose to Netherlands 1-2 in a tough encounter.