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BCCI should refuse to attend any ICC events... or Govt of India should just not allow live transmission to India unless broadcasting companies pay taxes for showing Indian companies advertisements in the broadcast, from wherever ICC is hosting the matches. Let ICC get advertisement revenues from the host country advertisers... I’m sure there will be so many big companies out there in host countries who will like to sell their products world wide including Indian market... for example a big NZ company will like to sell products world wide...

That way ICC won’t depend on BCCI, India and Indian public... :lol:


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asterix wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:53 pm BCCI should refuse to attend any ICC events... or Govt of India should just not allow live transmission to India unless broadcasting companies pay taxes for showing Indian companies advertisements in the broadcast, from wherever ICC is hosting the matches. Let ICC get advertisement revenues from the host country advertisers... I’m sure there will be so many big companies out there in host countries who will like to sell their products world wide including Indian market... for example a big NZ company will like to sell products world wide...

That way ICC won’t depend on BCCI, India and Indian public... :lol:
I agree. Its time to build an Iron Curtain around the Indian Socialist Republic of Cricket that does not believe in tax breaks or free markets. :lol: Let them play cricket among-st themselves.

ICC doesn't get advertisement revenues - they have sponsorship partners for events. The advertising revenues goto the broadcasters, should they choose to show ads, as their way of making money from buying the broadcast. Most the money probably is generated via subscription fees now - but I am not sure. And Star Sports certainly pays tax in India for its revenues. Further, the Indian government already takes from the Indian Broadcasters by showing all India's games in ICC events for free to air state tv, even though the likes of Star have previously paid for exclusive rights.

It is tiring that the BCCI and Indian Government always seem to find a way to alienate global cricket fans over money. But I guess despite being the richest board, you need every penny you can get right? Are your players, board members, et al really not paid well enough? Do you really need more test quality venues? I mean what is $23m to the Indian Government? 1 more jet fighter? It all seems ridiculous to me. Why does the Indian Government feel the need to bully around and tax an intl sporting organisation that puts on events that the Government gets tourism from? That it gets tax revenues from the broadcasters from?

I get the feeling that the BCCI really doesn't want to be an equal member of the ICC at times. So why don't they just leave? At the end of the day, India provides one team to ICC events - like all the rest of the contestants. But they always want so much more. Now the Government doesn't care that every other host offers tax breaks. The BCCI and now the Indian Government don't appear to care about growing the game globally, or keeping it competitive, so why be a member of an organisation which is set up just to do that. Surely leaving is the solution. :lol:

The BCCI and Indian Government should just run their own cricket events. And actually leave the ICC. And the BCCI should not come crying to the ICC when someone sets up an ICL in their backyard. I'm sure a new ICL will happily pay the Indian Government its due taxes. The ideals and goals of the ICC are not on the same page with the BCCI and Indian Government. Their intents and purposes are completely different and they don't see eye to eye. Like a bad partnership, just terminate it already.
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ICC gained maximum money from india from various resources.ICC will kiss our butt no matter what.
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Harmer wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:43 am Asterix
ICC gained maximum money from india from various resources.ICC will kiss our butt no matter what.
That's the thing about money, if India wants it all for itself, why would the ICC help India or the BCCI make more?

The BCCI and India can have their butts kissed, but they need to be generous with the money for that butt kissing. It doesn't come free. If there is no money in kissing India or BCCI's butt, noone is going to do it. Be a regular and equal member like everyone else, or just leave.
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Why should BCCI help ICC make money at their expense ? Cricket is not charity.

It makes sense for ICC to bring along BCCI and work with it as you can make more money out of car sale % compared to banana sale %.
Without BCCI the profits for ICC are 80% lesser !!
Think big, do big business if you are smart.
ICC is more dependent on BCCI for revenue than other way around.
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going south wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:23 am Why should BCCI help ICC make money at their expense ? Cricket is not charity.
I agree. ICC should get rid of BCCI. Cos the ICC is a charity for the member boards. And the BCCI is not.
going south wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:23 amIt makes sense for ICC to bring along BCCI and work with it as you can make more money out of car sale % compared to banana sale %.
Without BCCI the profits for ICC are 80% lesser !!
Think big, do big business if you are smart.
ICC is more dependent on BCCI for revenue than other way around.
ICC does not need BCCI. Let BCCI walk. Someone will establish a new board in India to meet the demand. India needs teams to play against, those teams deserve to get paid fairly.
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Its the same arguments, over and over. The BCCI and the Indian Government does not want to meet the values of the ICC. It doesnt want to grow the game internationally and fund everyone for competitiveness.

It is actually time to get rid of them. The ICC does not need the BCCI. It will have 10 more test teams to play itself with. While the BCCI and Indian Government can go play domestic cricket endlessly. Like South Africa in apartheidt. The BCCI can organise some rebel tours and stuff. Cricket was alive and well before the BCCI and India had any money, and it will survive without them.

If Indian fans wants to see Archer, Rabada, KW, Cummins, Smith, Root, then let them pay for the privilege. If the BCCI and Indian Government don't wanna let them pay for the privilege, don't give it to them. Nothing for nothing.

Personally I grew up before the BCCI had any sway globally and nearly everyone was a millionaire, there was plenty of quality cricket on to enjoy. England and Australia have enough resources to keep the global game alive and well without rupees.

I'd get rid of all the money grubbing bodies from cricket, which in this case is the Indian Government. They're doing the global game no good. It's actually call the bluff time. India is bluffing. Because we know world cricket was strong before India threw pay tv subscriptions into the mix.

Even then Murdoch would probably set up his own rival board in India if he ever lost the IPL, and India would be back, through a new board... it's happened before... (Packer and CA in 1978)

And Packer knew the most important thing, you don't get to play yourselves and make money... So he bought the WI... and the World...
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"You see in India, they want to use my ball but they want a special deal. I said 'I'm sorry, I have a deal, all the Boards all around the world pay the same money.'

'But we are BCCI'. I said 'So what'. 'You have the best paid cricketers in the world, you have to buy the best. You have 35000 people sitting over there and you're asking me the price of a ball. Four guys' tickets will pay for that, so what's your problem?' And in Pakistan every time you contact them, there's a different fellow," he says with exasperation.
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/9 ... es-factory

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Paddles wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:33 pm
Well they both have been trying. But it is the BCCI's role. They are expected as the host board of that region to have the netowrk and communication systems in place for direct conversation. The BCCI is afterall a MEMBER of the ICC. Which so many people seem to forget. The BCCI is part of the ICC. So when ECB host, they are meant to clear the channels with the UK government, when NZC and CA host, they likewise are meant to clear the channels with their governments.
Shashank Manohar is a big shot lawyer in India. His father was a big time politician in India. It is not as if he cannot talk to the Indian rulers himself. But he is deliberately trying to rub BCCI the wrong way. BCCI too is paying him back in the same coin. BCCI bigwig Anurag Thakur is very much a member of parliament as well as a minister in Indian government and he can easily talk to the concerned man. But he too is deliberately not taking any action on the matter. And rightly so.
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Paddles wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:16 am
Harmer wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:43 am Asterix
ICC gained maximum money from india from various resources.ICC will kiss our butt no matter what.
That's the thing about money, if India wants it all for itself, why would the ICC help India or the BCCI make more?

The BCCI and India can have their butts kissed, but they need to be generous with the money for that butt kissing. It doesn't come free. If there is no money in kissing India or BCCI's butt, noone is going to do it. Be a regular and equal member like everyone else, or just leave.
Do not separate BCCI & India
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